[seivan]

No I am sure, and they are producing more wealth than I (probably) _EVER_ could. But doesn't mean it's a fun place for a designer and/or software engineer to be.

It means it's great to be on the board, manager or shareholder.

OP is a software engineer.

[hkmurakami]

I would have such a serious moral hazard and hypocrisy problem there that I can't imagine being happy as a manager at Samsung. (I used to be an engineer, transitioned to pm, I'll probably be a suit within the next 5 years sadly) I don't think IP theft and blatant product copying is morally correct, and I can't work at a place where I have to support such practices.

[clearly]

So what the previous poster should have said is "managers and my (or our) interests and priorities do not align" rather than being condescending. I couldn't agree more that it's not ideal for a software engineer.

[SupremumLimit]

So you're equating "not a fun place for a software engineer" with "managed by idiots"? That's a rather strange attitude, wouldn't you think?

I often see this attitude from engineers, and although I am one as well, I always find it puzzling. There's a lot that can be said about bureaucracies, bad management, and lack of innovation. But the world doesn't revolve around writing cool software, and non-engineers aren't all idiots. It's a bit more complicated than that.

[_pmf_]

> But doesn't mean it's a fun place for a designer and/or software engineer to be.

I bet it was wonderful to work at Apple under Steve Jobs. Just wonderful.

[seivan]

It sounds tough, but at least the thing you do isn't bullshit. I mean. C'mon iOS as an operating system is amazing, working with those engineers would be kick-ass for some people.