[JonnieCache]

>Ideal or not, hazing and bullying has worked for countless millennia to distinguish those you can rely on in a tight spot from those you cannot. The more dangerous the circumstances, the harder becoming accepted by a group seems to be. It's just how humans are.

You're an intelligent guy, surely you realise that this can be used to justify any number of barbaric, animalistic behaviours. I could make up a list of lurid things society should let me do to you and your family by this logic, but like I said, you seem clever enough to imagine them yourself.

As far as I'm concerned this kind of dawkins-style biological reductionism represents the abandonment of enlightenment thinking and I will not stand for it. I am not an ape, and neither are you.

[1123581321]

The Enlightenment era was arguably a high point of group-joining rituals.

[Swizec]

I know I know, bullying is not okay and I agree. But the fact of the matter is we as humans want people to "pay their dues". We are always going to find a way of ensuring that happens.

[jiggy2011]

One thing I do notice is that the sort of places that participate in more "Hazing" type behavior do often have a keener sense of loyalty and justice, perhaps because there is a stronger bond between people.

Rather than the typical corporate america style "rat race" where everyone is very polite but happy to stab each other in the back for their own aims.