[ceejayoz]

That's more likely to be Pavlovian conditioning than any actual health effect. "ATP augmentor"?!

You're criticizing gimmicky crap and bloated industries and you post a "health supplement"?

[pvnick]

The only reason I recommend that is it's the best pre-workout stimulant I've ever tried, and I've tried a few. YMMV but Jacked 3d with the DMAA ingredient is known in weightlifting circles as a miracle substance. Tear off the damn label if it bothers you.

Edit: http://www.leangains.com/2010/09/high-protein-recipes-and-ja... make sure not to get the "micro" stuff and instead look for the one with the DMAA in it