[zanny]

The majority of work done on btc is useless though, because very few hashes end up validating into blocks. It would be nice if all that compute power was being used for some productive use, and you just did a consensus raffle rather than arbitrary hashing to pass out new coins.

[sneak]

Proof-of-work is not useless if it prevents other, undesirable outcomes that would otherwise occur without it.

Make no mistake, though - the large mining pools are the spacing guild of bitcoin; without them, there is no network.

Unfortunately they (via their users) would not welcome such a switch after so much time and effort and money has already been expended to be able to increase sha256 speed to the point it is at now.

Perhaps this is why Litecoin chose scrypt instead?

Regardless, the proof-of-work we have in Bitcoin today is likely what we'll have in Bitcoin forever, like it or not.

[baddox]

Exactly right. Calling proof-of-work useless is like calling physical locks "a bunch of wasted metal just sitting there doing nothing."

[Dylan16807]

When a lock only stays shut as long as it's the biggest, and everyone is pouring thousands of tons of molten steel in just to keep the lock big? Hell yes it's a waste of resources.

A single lock is much closer to encryption than it is to 'race the world' levels of proof of work.

[s4m20]

When compared to digging huge quarries into the earth, physically extracting gold ore, processing it and shaping into blocks then burying it back underground again (in vaults), it's not actually that wasteful.

[justincormack]

That's wasteful too. Does not excuse bitcoin.

[baddox]

If there was no other way to secure the advantages of this hypothetical big lock, and those advantages were as significant as Bitcoin's, then it wouldn't be a waste of resources.

[tveita]

Keep in mind that the entire Bitcoin network could be replaced with one trusted party with the computing power of an average smart phone. The network is currently paid 150 Bitcoins every hour to be that party, and in an efficient market, almost all of that would be spent on mining, i.e. wasted.

The security of Bitcoin against double-spending is literally based on wasting so much money that it is unattractive for an attacker to spend a matching amount of money on a double-spend attack. The network must spend this money all the time, though - it can't know in advance when it is being attacked.

An attacker with enough resources can also force the network to either match their spending, or be rendered useless.

Bitcoin is an inherently wasteful system, and it actively resists scaling. There are alternatives, the most proven of which is a centralized ledger run by a trusted third party.

Even if there were no viable alternatives at all, I would still have doubts about the sustainability of the current system. The cost of running the network is just too large compared to the amount of real economic activity.

[baddox]

I think you underestimate and/or understate how big of a deal Bitcoin's lack of reliance on a trusted third party is. That's essentially the entire point of Bitcoin, so it seems a bit disingenuous to call it "wasteful." Perhaps if you have no desire for a decentralized transaction log with no trusted third parties, then it would be wasteful for you to throw computing resources at Bitcoin, but it's ridiculous to apply that generally.

[teraflop]

I couldn't find any references to a "consensus raffle" algorithm, but it sounds interesting. Is there a reference you can share?

[kzrdude]

Ripple claims to use a consensus process https://ripple.com/how-ripple-works/