[derleth]

> Most of those same people also hate unions because they don't realize how many of their "rights" were earned and secured by them.

Were earned. Were secured. Continuing to harp on the past is not a convincing argument for current relevance.

[sigmavirus24]

They're the only ones fighting to defend those rights. They're also the only reason highly political positions, like state and municipality workers, can not be fired when the new political powers take over and want to provide patronage.

But I guess if you willfully deal with the government as an employer, that's your own fault, right?

[derleth]

I was talking about private sector unions.

[sigmavirus24]

Then specify that because otherwise you're attacking all unions. There are no perfect unions. There never have been but they still play an important part in the labor force.