[oakaz]

So what?!

My brother studies in Hatay, a city near Syria. This city used to be a safe, liberal city.

Until the fucking "civil war".

Now, it's filled by a kind of some radical islamists migrated from Syria because of the "civil war". Now women and children in Hatay are afraid of going out of their home because their streets are full of aggressive and criminal North Syrian extreme islamists.

Check those links. This war is definitely not for democracy.

[nandemo]

It's a conflict between the Syrian government forces and several militias of (mostly) Syrians. So it's a civil war.

Yeah, some of the militias aren't interested in democracy, and some are funded by external powers that have various interests in Syria. It's still a civil war.

[oakaz]

It is definitely not.

As you can see the prove in my other comments, Free Syrian Army was established by a NATO sponsored Libyan terrorist. As you can see in their videos, these fucking terrorists don't even speak the Syrian dialect of Arabic.

We are talking about a global terrorist organization and huge manipulations made by NATO countries to legalize this terrorism.

Please go to do some research.

[katbyte]

At what point does it go from terrorism to a civil war?

I'm not saying syria is or isn't one, but you got me thinking about how a civil war could very well be labeled terrorism and vice versa depending on the spin you wanted to put on it.

[kmcd]

> several militias of (mostly) Syrians. So it's a civil war.

Incorrect: this is an external destablisation by NATO, Qatar et al. & a heroic defence by the Syrian people.

Who is training, funding & supporting the death squads in Syria? NATO, under the supervision of Robert Stephen Ford:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-salvador-option-for-syria-u...

Negroponte/Ford were resposible for running the death squads in central America in the 80's & Iraq in 2004 onwards.

If Mexico & Canada were sending snipers to the US & some libertarians joined in - would you call that a civil war?

[WalterSear]

I lived in Syria for 8 years. Some of the early members of the FSA were good friends of a cousin of mine. This war wasn't started by outside forces, no matter who got involved after te fact.

Sure, there's all sorts of crazies involved now, but there are also still plenty of Syrians involved. Which makes it a civil war.

[knowaveragejoe]

The links don't help though. The main one is an Op-Ed piece. The other is from GlobalResearch which is borderline conspiracy drivel.

[oakaz]

If you are looking for the truth, it's really not hard. Go to Youtube, search about the street reviews in Syria made by BBC, see how Syrian people expressed themself to rest of the world.

[katbyte]

Just because some Syrians express a view on does not make it the view held unanimously by all Syrians, and thus 'the truth'. Different folk will be benefiting and supporting the existing regime while others will be protesting it, look at the States, or any nation and how easy it is to find differing viewpoints on almost anything.

I don't know what the truth about the situation in syria is, nor do i think i ever fully will no matter how many youtube videos/interviews i watch, however from what i have seen of the government's response to the protests makes me lean towards thinking that government is not deserving of the power it has.

[WalterSear]

FWIW, everyone knows that the Syrian government is an evil beast. However, Asaad and his father have mercilessly controlled the religious factions, holding together an otherwise fractured society, and made it possible for minorities to survive.

The power vacuum it leaves behind will be much worse for Syria than the regime. And that's not even counting the damage that all the external forces will be doing.

[oakaz]

Oh, come on.

Please take a look at how Egypt is now. The new government all you internet activists supported is now willing to destroy the pyramids because "there is only one god" according to their crazy fucking mind.

FSA is even, and much more worse. You'll see what the evil beast once they get the chance.

Even now, there are disgusting videos of them forcing christians to be muslim. All their motivation is jihad. That people don't believe in democracy. They are actually the evil beasts.

[katbyte]

That is true, its a change for better or quite possibly worse.