[codewright]

More powerful language (primitives, concision, macros), more performance (JVM fun-ness).

Some aspects of the JVM (slow-start) are icky but the tooling works around it (in-runtime auto-reload without restarting the JVM).

I'm a grumpy old CL'er so I was waiting for something like Clojure to come along anyway.

[zalew]

tx, but I meant the toolset and ecosystem, not the language features. popular frameworks, libs, out of the box solutions, opensource community, etc. - is clojure rich in this matter?

[codewright]

It's not as good as Python yet but rapidly getting better.

There's an excellent SQL abstraction library (Korma), Ring makes for a nice WSGI equivalent, Compojure and Clabango combined give you a Flask'ish experience, and there are a goodly number of Forms and validation libraries.

Some like to use CLJS on the frontend. There are libraries out there for making that nice.

I usually use vanilla jQuery or Angular on the frontend, no CLJS.

You need get more specific with your queries, I'm not going to write a novel at the merest hint.

[zalew]

tx. I was curious how it'd look like to replicate an example full stack of a Python project and you basically covered it. I remeber looking around some time ago and then Noir looked like the go to framework for Clojure, but now it seems discontinued. gotta try CL some day.

[codewright]

CL is Common Lisp.

The go-to for Clojure is Luminus, which is less of a framework and more of a "web best practices" project template.

[zalew]

oops, I meant CLojure :D not very fluent in the Lisp department. tx for the tips.