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by pi18n 4795 days ago
Simple and effective. I hope Mozilla is working on something like this, their recent updates have included some great defaults for privacy and security; this might fit in with their browser as authentication idea and be more secure than using email as the backend.
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callahad 4795 days ago
Mozilla Persona is all public key crypto under the hood. Learn more and help out: http://developer.mozilla.org/persona

I also gave a talk at PyCon covering the why, what, and how of Persona, if you prefer that medium: http://pyvideo.org/video/1764

(For what it's worth, the docs need another round of polish but they should get you started. If you have any questions, please feel free to email me directly.)

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drdaeman 4795 days ago
Persona users' keypairs are ephemeral, and their use just to provide temporary (in practice, usually, one-time) assertion from an identity provider that you have authorized with them.
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callahad 4794 days ago
Yeah, I hear you. Persona isn't public-key-utopia, but I do think it moves us to an unambiguously better place. The protocol is built so that users who want more "advanced" authentication schemes, like client-side SSL certs, can have them. Seamlessly. But everyone gets a better risk profile, even in the common case.
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drdaeman 4794 days ago
My biggest problem with Persona, is that I don't own an identity. My identity is provided to me by some third party. Even if I host an identity provider on my physically owned server, the identity is still not mine, as I can't own a domain (domains are leased from a registrar, not bought).

It also does not solve many problems OpenID had. For example, multiple identities ("which provider did I use here?") got even worse and migration is still completely manual (go everywhere, tell them you have new email, good luck if you already don't have the old one) and, rephrasing the OP title, "I long for the future where I can safely assume my email provider is compromised" is impossible with Persona, too. The point is, I believe, the Persona already has known design-level problems and, I guess, will eventually go away, replaced by something else.

And I don't really understand why we need such steps and finally get to the point we are the source and are in possession of our own identities, and others are just trusted third parties that are asserting our descriptions of ourselves. Standardize an secure key escrow (sync) protocol, think about UI/UX issues (present-day browsers HTTPS certificate UI is plain ugly), have some advertisement and educating articles and that's about it.

(Added after some thinking) Well, maybe I'm oversimplifying it, though, and things are harder than I believe they are... But the only problem I ever had with GPG (which I used as identity system) is key loss and temporary unavailability. And this could be really mitigated by key escrow (trading a bit of security for usability).

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