[pyriku]

Middlewares, context processors, forms, (class based) views, and tons of third party applications.

The CTO of a startup where some friends are working thought the same you did, and 2 years ago rewrote everything to Flask. Now they're going back to Django.

Django is much more that an ORM and templates.

[jokull]

Django middlewares is a poorly designed system. Flask has all of the things you mentioned except for forms. For that you can use Flask-WTF, but these libraries are becoming outdated anyway because they’re HTML based and don’t work so well for JSON validation.

[emidln]

I don't write much HTML anymore (it's all frontend templating and API calls), but I use Django Forms everywhere. For instance, tastypie supports using a Django Form to handle validation in your API[1].

[1] - http://django-tastypie.readthedocs.org/en/latest/validation....

[simonw]

I've found Django forms to work extremely well for validating non-form-based data - the API is a neat way of representing a set of validation rules and running them against a set of data.

[jokull]

Hi Simon - I greatly appreciate your work and opinion! The reason I think HTML forms libraries are insufficient for the problem domain: JSON is richer, both in datatypes and structure. We’re working on a forms library of sorts that is better suited for API serialization/validation and having one central place to define models for multiple internal DB’s.

https://github.com/plain-vanilla-games/schematics

[plorkyeran]

I've found Flask-WTF to work quite well for validating JSON. It looks a little weird at first due to the naming scheme mismatch, but I haven't encountered any actual functional problems with it.

[pyriku]

Could you please explain why do you think that? IMHO it's a really clever approach.