[white_devil]

It's bullshit propaganda, and the charges are just as valid as Assange's rape charges, courtesy of the same corrupt government. The US entertainment industry wants to make an example of him.

>> He was also charged with hacking into the computer servers of Logica, a Swedish company that handles tax documents.

"Oh noes! Don't hack our taxes!!"

Logica is a big, bloated IT services company that makes (shitty) custom software for big customers, typically government agencies. They're in Finland too, but originally from England.

[freyr]

>> It's bullshit propaganda,

Source? Do you have ANY evidence of this whatsoever?

>> "Oh noes! Don't hack our taxes!!" Logica is a big, bloated IT services company that makes (shitty) custom software

Are you suggesting, because Logica is big, bloated, makes "shitty" software, or makes tax software, they should be open game to hackers? You are ridiculous.

[white_devil]

> Source? Do you have ANY evidence of this whatsoever?

Sure, let me just dig up that link where the Swedish government says the whole case is a sham!

> Are you suggesting, because Logica is big, bloated, makes "shitty" software, or makes tax software, they should be open game to hackers? You are ridiculous.

I implied that tax records were mentioned because someone seeing everyone's tax records is bound to make a lot of people feel uncomfortable. In other words, mentioning tax records in that context was done to shape the public opinion on the case.

[Kiro]

Corrupt government? Are we talking about Sweden or Somalia? Sweden is one of the least corrupt countries in the world so please stop with your ridiculous conspiracy theories.

[white_devil]

Every government is corrupt, because the very arrangement of government itself leads to corruption.

In Sweden's case, it's just not your average third-world style corruption like "hand me a bag of money and let's see about that building permit" - it's more about various "constituents" trading in favours/influence/power/positions/money.

Of course, the same kind of corruption applies to the US too. For example, campaign contributions are bribes already.

[okamiueru]

Flawed argument based on generalization.

The sentence itself reveals the fallacy: "leads to corruption", suggesting at some point it is not corrupt -- contradicted by "every government is corrupt". Q.E.D.

[white_devil]

Somehow there's always someone complaining about a "generalization", isn't there?

Here's what I said:

>> Every government is corrupt, because the very arrangement of government itself leads to corruption.

In this statement, "every government is corrupt" is a description of the state of affairs that the arrangement of government leads to. This does not contradict the idea of a government possibly not being corrupt at its inception - the point was that a government is a flawed institution right from the start.

Bear in mind, a government is a group of people that:

- Wields power over millions of people, and decides everything for them, even though their one-size-fits-all -solutions are practically guaranteed to not fit all.

- Forcefully extracts money from millions of people, and then uses it as they see fit.

- Is not responsible for their actions to anyone. In other words, no matter what they do, they won't suffer any negative consequences. Sure, someone may not get re-elected, but that doesn't really matter, and they'll still enjoy a fat pension (of other people's money) and so on.

[geon]

While Sweden (my country btw.) is one of the least corrupt places, there is indeed coruption. In the TPB case, it became very clear that Hollywood basically ordered an illegal razzia. Lots of Swedish laws were broken, secret negotiations happened, and Sweden was thretened wigh trade sanctions.

[johansch]

Logica is indeed shitty (they mostly employ second rate people in my experience; at least in Sweden), but in my mind that only makes it more likely that Gottfrid/anakata was able to hack into their systems.

[white_devil]

Well, one has to wonder why they'd want to hack into Logica's systems. I can't see a reason. What would they want from Logica, and why would they risk getting caught hacking companies? Haven't they got enough trouble with TPB already?

It just doesn't make sense. What does make sense, however, is the US entertainment industry (and governments) wanting to make an example out of them: Here's what happens to naughty little copyright-infringers/freedom-fighters.