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by michaelochurch 4811 days ago
Sorry to break it to the OP, but most companies are shit. Big or small doesn't matter that much because all people (under the right conditions) have parasitic tendencies and power makes it worse. Good companies are easily less than 10 percent, and startups are no better.

What makes startups seem great is the survivor bias. The shitty ones with MBA-style management and closed allocation tend to faceplant. The good ones grow and become less good gradually.

Also, many of the big-company perks mentioned in the OP don't exist.

Big companies actually don't provide better benefits than startups. Banks, for just one example, have pretty shitty health insurance due to misguided shareholder activism and cost-cutting. Also, it takes forever to move up in large companies. The upshot of that, though, is that you'll never have a 25-year-old manager-favorite ladyboy hipster douche barking orders at you (which I have seen demolish a startup or two).

Finally, large companies are not great at long-term projects. Those tend to be cut first when there are cuts, and in most companies, continuous cutting is now in favor over press-making layoffs. The best people in large companies (excluding companies with a real research presence, and those aren't paying salaries that would impress anyone on HN) want to work on immediate P&L stuff, not long-term efforts that lack job security and short-term promotability.

There is exactly one reason to work for big companies, and it can be substantial: lateral mobility. Your compensation won't go up fast, but if you can move to more interesting work under a manager the ability to protect, it can be a pretty damn good deal, because with a good manager it doesn't matter that you're in a mediocre company. You'll get to learn a lot (even if you won't have a major impact) and your work will be interesting enough (much more interesting than what most of these startups do) to provide jumping off points into credible side projects and, possibly, startups. It can be a great way to get a 5-year stint (there are plenty of HR Boomer-o-saurs who are still stuck up about "job hoppers") and a lot of time to learn.

The problem is that most companies make it a lot harder to move internally than they advertise. They have ridiculous "headcount" issues and it's almost impossible to move in most firms without a top-20% performance record... but impossible to get a top-20% review unless your manager sees you as having staying power. So you have to play dishonest political games, in most companies, to get the one big-company benefit (lateral mobility) that actually matters.

In fact, most companies are so fucked up on the matter of internal mobility that the only genuine time at which transfer's possible is shortly after a promotion, but managers rarely promote people who seem to have any interest in mobility.

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> The problem is that most companies make it a lot harder to move internally than they advertise. They have ridiculous "headcount" issues and it's almost impossible to move in most firms without a top-20% performance record... but impossible to get a top-20% review unless your manager sees you as having staying power. So you have to play dishonest political games, in most companies, to get the one big-company benefit (lateral mobility) that actually matters.

>In fact, most companies are so fucked up on the matter of internal mobility that the only genuine time at which transfer's possible is shortly after a promotion, but managers rarely promote people who seem to have any interest in mobility.

This was the driving reason I left my prior employer. I had no internal mobility without some sort of advocate, despite the large number of open reqs. At the end I got hit by the political double whammy of not having any support for a lateral transfer from my manager[1] and being on the 800lb gorilla project that was trying to draw people in from elsewhere at the time I was trying to leave. The company got away with shit like this, though, because most people thought that was just the way it was at large companies, and small companies were too risky and flaky.

[1] I even got labelled "disloyal" in the heat of the moment for expressing the desire once.

What you experienced is typical. It's harder to get a new job within a company than to get an external promotion into another one.

Here's probably more than you care to read on this topic. I just finished it this morning: http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/gervais-macle...

The short version, as pertains to what you experience, is that companies have (since Enron made it fashionable) included performance reviews in the transfer packet as a way of enabling managerial extortion (for the sake of project expediency, although it's unclear that it achieves that) and passive firing, reducing lawsuit risk. The passive-firing infrastructure is supposed to be there to make low-performers look objectively unwanted (lawsuit issues) but the headcount limitations and transfer blocks actually end up getting used against high-perfomers that their managers want to keep captive. Google (which has Enron-style performance reviews) has a well-documented problem with this.

My own recent-ish exeprience on this may be of interest - I was made redundant (worked in City) in 2008. I kept job hunting like a demon, and went through three jobs in 18 mths, going from unemployed to 100K - but each time I moved companies, and I think I did not spend less than 4 out of 5 lunch hours glued to phones hunting down leads.

Not sure if thats of interest

In small company, while you don't have internal mobility across teams it's much easier to work on different projects, since cost of switching between projects is not so expensive as in big company. There are no formal management rules, so you don't have to play politics to achieve this.

Even in companies with "open allocation" you are not given completely free choice where to work, because you first need to gain credibility. It's faster to achieve level of credibility, required full freedom on what to work inn smaller company with open allocation than in big corporation, even ones, which are pretending to have open allocation.

In small company, while you don't have internal mobility across teams it's much easier to work on different projects, since cost of switching between projects is not so expensive as in big company. There are no formal management rules, so you don't have to play politics to achieve this.

It depends. Small companies can go to shit quickly. I've seen it happen at under 10 people.

Even in companies with "open allocation" you are not given completely free choice where to work, because you first need to gain credibility. It's faster to achieve level of credibility, required full freedom on what to work inn smaller company with open allocation than in big corporation, even ones, which are pretending to have open allocation.

That goes against open allocation, because the whole idea is that you have the right to work for the company directly without needing a "credible" person to sanction it. Open allocation probably requires that projects have some degree of sanction, but that should be based on project merits as much as possible. And if people aren't free to move form one sanctioned project to another, then it's not open allocation.

> ladyboy

This doesn't mean what you think it means. Or at least I hope it doesn't.

Synonym for "golden child" or managerial favorite, and yes, I know that it originally meant a male prostitute dressed to look feminine. I'm not the first to use it in that way.

"Golden child" doesn't have enough bite and Ancient Greek references get old.

It definitely still means a transsexual prostitute. I can't find any mention at all of this managerial definition anywhere.

I'm not disputing that it is used that way in certain circles, but it isn't common. Also, ladyboy is often used as a term of hatred and abuse against transsexual people, so if you keep using it like that eventually you're going to be in a situation where you come across like some old guy casually talking about "niggers in the woodpile" and that would be bad. (I'm not saying it's equivalent, just that it could land you in equivalently hot water. You know what I mean.)

I didn't know that it was a term of abuse. I won't use it, then.

I guess we need another emasculating/biting term for male managerial favorites. "Protege, in the Ancient Greek sense of the word" is a lot of words, but it's the best alternative I can come up with.

Perhaps a re-contextualisation of the phrase "Teacher's Pet" could be sufficiently infantilising?
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Shame, cos I could have sworn he was talking of my direct experiences