[gizmo686]

At first read of your comment, I thought you were referring to analog as the user to hellban, not throwawayG9 (who, by the way, is a 60 day old account). In my opinion, throwawayG9 did contribute something very valuable to this discussion, which is pointing out the irrationality of how we view sex in the first place. The ad hominon attackk against this position that refuses to acknoledge the possibility that we might view sex irrationally, and says that anyone who thinks so must be a bad member of society seems far less productive to a conversation.

[fakeer]

Yes, I particularly find that part interesting where he/she goes on to say that we become adults right when the mid-night clock ticks after 17 years, 364 days and 23:59 hours[^] of our lives.

[^]PS. No maths please.

[analog]

"I'm proud to say that 15-17 years old girls can be hot, and I can feel attracted to them."

throwawayG9 is stating that they are proud to be a paedophile. Personally I'd feel a little wrong about dating an 18 year old girl, but a 15 year old girl is most definitely a child.

[throwawayG9]

Wow, how convenient that your sexual insticts matche the law of the very country you happen to live in. That way you won't feel a slave of the system, that commands you what to do, what to think, and how to feel.

Though I wonder if you would be able to tell whether you like a girl before knowing her age. That would be an interesting experiment, and you would probably learn something about yourself.

[fakeer]

Okay, please don't crucify me for this, but when I was in college (3rd year ~22 yrs old) I'd met a girl at a mall and I was attracted towards her. She was a friend's sister's(a bit younger than us) friend who used to hang around with us and she looked nothing less than 19(or well, 20 I'd have said). We went coffee twice(first) and and a film in the next week.

Then one day we were walking along a park(like the one in societies - the tiny ones with few trees/plants and little fountain - not as in "park" park) and she tried to hug me and tried reach a bit higher - at 5'11" I was a bit higher for her and as it was a bit too fast I just pecked her on cheek and we sat down.

There was sth amiss abut her, she didn't seem what she was. Looked she was hiding sth. As at times she would be like so mature and at times she would be excited at things only an early teen would be but I took the sign as "full of life". We said good bye that day.

The other day I met that friend's sister so I asked her "hey that friend of yours..from your college(she has just joined college - 1st yr)".. she replied.."no, she isn't..we know each other 'cause we play volleyball at our local team together"... and then I said(a little blushing) "ok..well... because we know we are sort of dating..not dating but sort of".. there was another friend sitting there.. and then came the bomb.. She laughed and punched me playfully and said.."hey..weirdoo.. she a fg kid.. she is class 11...she is bloody 15-16..stay away from her..you paedo.....:-)".. And I was like - wtf!! Of course a bit ashamed and scared too!

Anyway, that ended there. She never called me and I never did either. Maybe friend's sister talked to her. But where was my fault? I mean I genuinely felt attracted to her and trust me there was no way I could have known! And no, after knowing it never came to my mind that I should pursue it further but I never actually felt that I wronged* her. Because I didn't!

That "me" was a friend of mine and that another friend was actually me. We still tease that friend and call him "paedo". I guess he avoids looking at (relatively) younger females when we are around :-)

.. >>throwawayG9 is stating that they are proud to be a paedophile.

He is not a paedophile just for this! It' a very normal reaction and the line paedophilia comes where to stop or where's that line! I mean I've talked to many people and they feel it too! But we don't approach them and don't look at then sleazily. I've come across instance where those, I dare say quite attractive school kids usually from rich families have approached me/us at bars and pubs (for a dance/chat/whatever) and many times at liquor shops to help them buy it(they often want whiskey and vodka..damn).. we usually tease them a little..like "how old are you".. how much you get score in maths/any-sub..blah..."are you a good student".. and then usually tell them to get the fk out of there or offer them let the nearby copper know whether she could buy a bottle herself!

>>Personally I'd feel a little wrong about dating an 18 year old girl, but a 15 year old girl is most definitely a child.

That is where the drawing a line comes into picture. BTW, how old are you? I would not mind dating a 18 yr old girl when when I am even 22-23. But I would sure not do it with a 15 yr old even when I am 19-20, even though the age differences are same!

[analog]

"refuses to acknoledge the possibility that we might view sex irrationally"

Yes, I think it's wrong to have sex with children. And to be 'proud' of wanting to.

[skore]

Just to clarify - I wasn't addressing you with the hellban call (I know you know, but, you know, other people).

And to further agree - I think "well, what can I do, they're hot!" (or its buddy "hey, what do you know - they might like it!") or any sort of that nonsense is the absolute maximum height of the shittiest relativistic thinking that humans are capable of.

Yes, laws can be complicated and yes any particular cutoff age is inherently bullshit. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have it. Know why? Because it saves a whole lot of human beings from having their life ruined beyond repair, forever, by a guy who can't keep his dick in his pants. It's worth the bullshit. If you don't see that, you're simply an inconsiderate asshole.

And if you hide behind a throwaway (others pointed out it's 60 days old, so what, its probably your bogstandard reddit user branching over to HN, liking his new platform to spew idiocy), this site should hell ban the shit out of you.

Sorry about the rant. Relativistic bullshit pisses me off to no end. Especially if it's by frigging neckbeards who apparently think anything in the world should revolve around their ability to fuck whatever they think is "hot". Get a life.

(again, not really directed at you, analog)