[trustfundbaby]

> The only common reason companies don't do H1Bs is the hassle, and even then it's not that big a deal for any funded or profitable company

That was not my point though ... I was trying to say that while all this is being done for the worker, that worker is beholden to the company doing all this on their behalf. Which allows the company take liberties with their wages that they could never even dream off with an American.

> There is really no power over the H1B at the moment

I agree, up to a point. At your 6 year mark, where the green card has to be filed for you to stay in the country. You are vulnerable, as it essentially makes it impossible for you to move for almost a year, getting canned at that point can also cause you untold grief. I also base this sentiment on some of the horror stories I've heard from h1-b workers at some of the body shops around the country.

> but your final line is hyperbole Again, we disagree. If I can hire a guy for $60k on the h1-b when the going rate is $90k, guess who's winning? Yes I know there is a concept of a prevailing wage, used in the filing, but those rates are ridiculously low.

[pbiggar]

> I was trying to say that while all this is being done for the worker, that worker is beholden to the company doing all this on their behalf.

Not at all, because there are thousands of other companies will to do this too. Its a sellers market, and engineers can literally get a job with a week's notice (plus maybe 2 weeks to get the visa sorted out).

> At your 6 year mark, where the green card has to be filed for you to stay in the country.

Green cards take time and should be planned years in advance. Don't work a H1B job without negotiating Green Cards.

I agree there is a time where you are unable to move during this time. I don't believe that good companies are going to mistreat their employees during this time. Similarly with your last point, the prevailing wage is irrelevant because there is high competition.

> horror stories I've heard from h1-b workers at some of the body shops

I think we disagree because we're coming from different perspectives. I think you're looking at the body shops (which account for half of the H1Bs) and where everyone has heard horror stories. Those H1B employees might believe they are beholden and stuck, but the truth is they are not. Move out of New Jersey, come to SF and you'll find the streets paved with great working conditions and employers who pay and treat you right.

[rdouble]

Most "body shop" employees are doing stuff that is irrelevant to employment at innovative Silicon Valley companies.

[ktsmith]

I'd really like to see it changed so that consultancies are not eligible for H-1B visa application. This would eliminate the body shops pretty quickly.

[ktsmith]

> You are vulnerable, as it essentially makes it impossible for you to move for almost a year

180 days post application not a year.. This is well known and established, anyone applying for permanent residency should be well aware of this and should apply as soon as acceptable if they wish to stay in the US long term.