[colmvp]

1) What is the percentage of students who get admitted into U.S. schools from foreign countries poor? Are most actually middle/upper class and just prefer to study overseas? I saw the latter as a pretty common scenario in Australia and Canada.

2) If they are poor, why are Chinese/Indians more likely to get into engineering/compsci than other demographics that are more local, such as poor African Americans / Hispanic Americans? I've worked in tech in the U.S. for the last five years and have met very few male African Americans / Hispanic Americans despite working in cities with high populations of those demographics.

[yummyfajitas]

If they are poor, why are Chinese/Indians more likely to get into engineering/compsci than other demographics that are more local, such as poor African Americans / Hispanic Americans?

Both the Indians and Chinese are almost certainly poor. At least 95% of India is poorer than the bottom 5% of America, and about 80-85% of China is.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/31/the-haves-and-t...

Granted, they might be rich by Indian/Chinese standards, but that's a far cry from actually being lower middle class in the US.

I'm not sure it is more likely for Chinese/Indians to enter STEM fields than your various aforementioned demographic groups. The ones who do enter STEM fields are more likely to immigrate to the US, however...

[smm2000]

Most Indians in US are from top 1% in India - pretty much every Indian I know had maids/gardeners/cooks at home. One guy cooked/washed clothes himself for the first time when he came to US.

[davidw]

> pretty much every Indian I know had maids/gardeners/cooks at home.

In poorer countries - especially those with fairly unequal societies, hiring help is cheaper - not just absolutely, but proportionally, as well, so it's much more common. I read some economics discussions of this years ago, but don't really recall the details.

In other words, an Indian is a lot more likely to have hired help than a Norwegian, even if the Norwegian is better off.

[yummyfajitas]

Inequality is irrelevant. India has a Gini index of 33, compared to the 45 for the US.

Incentives are a much more plausible explanation. The US pays people not to work. India doesn't.

[unholyalliance]

Most of the Indians and Chinese that I went to school with were the sons and daughters of doctors, lawyers, and professors.

[yummyfajitas]

What makes you believe that Indian/Chinese doctors, lawyers and professors are not poor by US standards?

You might be a "rich" corporate lawyer living in Bandra, but that doesn't mean you can afford a car, or more than 1 room/person for your family (most poor Americans have these things).

[unholyalliance]

Well, what about having several house servants? Rich Americans don't have these things.

[davidw]

Despite having 'help', it seems that the Indians tend to migrate towards the US, rather than people from the US migrating towards India. See my other comment.