[goostavos]

>tedious use of mouse and/or the tedious keyboard dance for immediate, visual, feedback on a touch screen is even better for them.

I don't think you understand how shortcuts work..

Either way, no point in arguing. This is little more than an agree to disagree scenario.

[coldtea]

>I don't think you understand how shortcuts work..

I've been using computers since the late eighties, worked on from Sun OS to OS X 10.8, and have used Vim for decades, so I think I do.

But I don't find them that useful anyway.

As they get more numerous (aside from standard stuff) they only serve to give your mind a slight pause (to trigger shortcut recall, because not all are in muscle memory) and they trick you into thinking you're doing something useful for 0.5s, which for a lot of operations mostly the same time it would have taken for you to do it with a mouse. Just that with a mouse your mind is not working that hard (whereas the effort to remember the shortcut makes your mind think less time has passed).

You might think that doesn't apply to you. You'd most likely be wrong though (unless you stop-watched compared it). That's the kind of tricks the mind plays. I've not speaking out of my ass here. Here's from UI expert Bruce Tognazinni.

"We’ve done a cool $50 million of R & D on the Apple Human Interface. We discovered, among other things, two pertinent facts:

-- Test subjects consistently report that keyboarding is faster than mousing. -- The stopwatch consistently proves mousing is faster than keyboarding."

Citation: http://www.asktog.com/TOI/toi06KeyboardVMouse1.html

Anyway, I'd rather turn up a fader in a DAW by touching it, than by pressing +/-.

[coldtea]

>Anyway, I'd rather turn up a fader in a DAW by touching it, than by pressing +/-.

Not to mention with multitouch I can move 5 of them at the same time for example. Where are your shortcuts now?

[goostavos]

I think you forgot to change accounts while agreeing with your post...

At any rate, you've narrowed your original broad statement,

>Tablets are a faster brain --> interface than a keyboard for visual arts like drawing, painting, video and photography. Arguably music too,

down to a specific use case -- and one I actually agree with. However, writing off the value of all shortcuts as "tedious" is fundamentally ridiculous.

I respect that you've "used computers" for a long time. However, the following assertion makes it relatively clear that you've got no idea how people interface with non-linear editors.

>As they get more numerous (aside from standard stuff) they only serve to give your mind a slight pause (to trigger shortcut recall, because not all are in muscle memory) and they trick you into thinking you're doing something useful for 0.5s, which for a lot of operations mostly the same time it would have taken for you to do it with a mouse. Just that with a mouse your mind is not working that hard (whereas the effort to remember the shortcut makes your mind think less time has passed).

Being that this is the frame of mind you have, I'd just going to leave it be. There seems to be an entire way of using a computers that you are unfamiliar with.

I recommend you drop into a post shop one day. You can see how we use keyboard short cuts ;)

(This is the strangest disagreement I've ever had online)

[coldtea]

>I think you forgot to change accounts while agreeing with your post...

You think wrong though. This is not 4chan.

I just thought of another argument, and added it below my previous comment, because the "edit" link for the first wasn't available anymore.