Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by jspiros 4815 days ago
I didn't go to college, though I grew up in a college town and eventually even worked for a while as the college's lead web developer. I've been developing software professionally for customers and clients since I was 14 (currently 25; so, for 11 years).

Once, when I was applying for a job, I ran into someone with the same perspective as Bryan Caplan's from this article. I had made it through a few interviews and tests into the process at this company, everything was going well, when at some point I mentioned my not having a college degree. I didn't even realize it until later, as by that point in a process people are usually satisfied (or not) with my skills and experience to make the lack of a degree mostly irrelevant.

I was asked to have a call with the CTO of the company. The call became a 45 minute lecture, wherein the CTO questioned the sanity of everyone who had hired me previously, urged me to consider not applying for jobs in this industry in the future, and suggested going to college as my only viable option. The call lasted 45 minutes, with me in shock and unable to believe that someone could be so rude, and not knowing how to end it politely. Still, to this day, I'm amazed. Not so much at the basic idea, not even that someone would admit to being reliant on it, but just that someone could be so rude.

Thankfully, I've avoided such dramatic rejections since, and my lack of a degree has, if anything, continued to serve as a nice filter, keeping me away from jobs where I'd be working for insane people. I've had no issues finding good positions despite my not having a degree; in most cases, my experience, portfolio, and references are what really matter. And, now that I'm focusing on working for myself/entrepreneurship, I'm not going to have to worry about it at all for the foreseeable future.

I like the explanation given, about "credentialism". It's not just confused or inept HR departments that rely on the credential of a college degree to guide their work. It's also young CTOs at technology startups trying to justify the time and money they (recently) spent earning their credential.

2 comments

I received a similar lecture from a former employer, except it was by email, after I had handed in my resignation.

He wanted to make it quite known that I wasn't qualified to work in the industry (even though I worked for him in the industry just fine for several years and I was the one leaving the job on my own accord?) and that I wouldn't be able to find another job without a degree. Even though I deep down knew everything he was saying was not really based in any reality, the things he said were actually pretty hurtful at the time.

I had no trouble walking into another job that provided far more interesting work, and paid considerably more, for people who showed a much greater appreciation for us to be able to work together. I still don't know what the purpose of that email was. Sad to see me go, I guess?

Emailing people who are leaving more than a nice to have worked with you or let's connect on linked in always seems like a giant lose lose proposition.
Cap's breakup rule: you learn more about girlfriends and bosses when you leave than at any other time. This probably applies to boyfriends, too, but I don't have experience there.
I have 30 hours remaining in my Bioinformatics degree. I cannot stomach the 'pre-med grind'/cost involved in finishing the degree.

My work was generous and allowed me to turn my internship into a full-time job. Yet, everyday I am told I need to finish my degree and move away from this job by coworkers.

I get to ship on average every two weeks, it is wonderful. I have time to toy and tinker on the side.

My only fear is first for blame, then, to fire. I know if I ever was to venture off, the tone would turn from "we're so grateful to have you" to "you'll never make it in this world" in a heartbeat.