[mistermann]

> I place a high value on treating others with respect, helping without expecting anything in return

> I can't figure out how to get taken seriously and turn all this supposed good karma to financial benefit in a business way.

Based on my very limited data, you sound like an arrogant self-entitled child with a huge ego, low self-esteem, and a chip on your shoulder.

Accomplish something legitimate, and you'll stop needing recognition from others to fulfill your self-esteem. Do nice things for others without expecting something in return genuinely, rather than just paying lip service to it, which is precisely what you are doing.

> I just know that reading stuff like this feels like salt in very raw wounds for me.

If my intuition is not incorrect, this is as it should be. You are doing it wrong.

But then again, maybe I've misjudged you, who knows. It has little effect on my life whether I am right or wrong. It has an enormous effect on yours, as you seem to be currently experiencing. If I was you I'd stop and think very carefully about whether there is perhaps some truth here.

[enraged_camel]

>>Based on my very limited data, you sound like an arrogant self-entitled child with a huge ego, low self-esteem, and a chip on your shoulder.

Wow. Don't you think that you are judging her a bit too harshly, especially since (like you admit) you have very limited data?

And then people wonder why there are so few women in tech. People like you are part of the reason.

[toki5]

What part of what mistermann said had anything to do with Mz being a woman?

[mistermann]

Are you implying women are somehow different than men? That we should mollycoddle them, lest we hurt their gentle feelings? I doubt that's how she'd like to be treated, but again, I'm speculating.

[Mz]

I am not interested in being mollycoddled. I am also not interested in being pissed on. Those are not the only two options available for social discourse.

[Mz]

You have misjudged me. But thank you for taking the time and risk to give me some feedback.

[mistermann]

Very possibly, but I'm being completely honest with no ill intent when I say perhaps you're also misjudging yourself.

Again, perhaps my perception is wrong, but I find it very difficult to believe the person you describe yourself as would write the words you have written here.

I haven't even read your history so I fully acknowledge this is speculation. I'm just saying, I haven't met many people who can't think of several ways their thinking has changed over the years, on a constant basis. This is often referred to as wisdom or humility. But occasionally you meet the odd person who seems to have known it all their entire life. Hopefully you don't fall into the latter group.

[Mz]

Well I am sorry you are so unable to take my stated problem at face value. Given your admission that you really have no familiarity with my history, the logical and courteous thing to do would be to take me seriously and not project a lot of personal baggage from your past onto me.

I see no real reason to try to persuade or convince you. But perhaps you should think twice before lecturing a stranger on their assumed bad traits while behaving rather badly yourself overall.

[mistermann]

Hi Mz,

I was thinking about this on the way home and I've come here to apologize for the way I spoke earlier. Even now as I reread your earlier comment, my mind is simply unable to process it in any other way than I did initially, but my response to you was nonconstructive in the extreme, not to mention rude, arrogant, etc. Especially ironic in this thread.

I could go on, but I hope you get the idea. My sincere apologies.

[davidroberts]

That wasn't a very courteous reply...