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by as_if 4817 days ago
In Germany there are plenty research-jobs, but most of them in civil service, so no CS-PhD want it. The industry just pays much better.

Last year there was something in the news about the payment of professors, which was about $5000 a month. This is an entry level pay of a software developer (without Master or PhD) in Germany.
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roel_v 4817 days ago
"...which was about $5000 a month. This is an entry level pay of a software developer (without Master or PhD) in Germany."

Where? I'm near what, as I understand it, is considered a good area for high-tech workers (Ruhr area), but I don't see many jobs paying this much (maybe I'm looking in the wrong places?)

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as_if 4816 days ago
I'm from Stuttgart, made my B.Sc. in 2011 and make about $5500 (~4220€) am month as a GUI-Dev. When I read the "IT-Payment" polls in the news I get the impression this isn't nearly as much as it could be. :D
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Spooky23 4817 days ago
There are lifestyle considerations too. Academic work year, no crazy work hours, etc.
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tellarin 4817 days ago
Academic work year and no crazy hours? Sorry, but you clearly don't work with research.

Working all days of the week is incredibly common.

And, unfortunately, crunch time specially near major conference deadlines is almost becoming the norm. Of course, the focus on publication is another problem related to that.

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arethuza 4817 days ago
Having worked in academic research and co-founded a startup I would admit that the working hours weren't that different. However, in a startup you have a much wider set of pressures - making payroll at the end of the month, keeping customers happy, investing your own money to keep the business going, hiring/firing/managing people etc. (it's a very long list).
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tellarin 4817 days ago
Having had my own co-founded company gone bankrupt, I have to agree with you.
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fyi80 4817 days ago
People can work as much or as little as they want, once they make tenure. It's not that different from the startup model: hard work for a few years up front, then cash in your chips, with 2-3 decades of guaranteed income until government retirement age.
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tellarin 4817 days ago
This would only be the case if every research job was in a university and in tenure track, which is definitely not the case.

Many research positions are in industry, or are postdocs or non-tenure track. Besides the fact that many countries don't have anything similar to tenure.

Also, not everybody on tenure track reaches it.

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