[_wmlk]

>>Agile is the current day water fall model. I mean in spirit on in factual procedures. >>My latest irritation is manager types getting too obsessed with Unit testing, it reminds of XML and the way it was abused.

Whenever I read opinions like this all I hear is "Wah wah wah. I'm old and I don't like learning new things. What's wrong with the way I've always worked? Wah wah wah, managers."

[edoloughlin]

The problem with unit tests and a certain type of manager is that they see the unit test coverage as something that must be managed to be as close as possible to 100%, when this is arguably a waste of effort.

[dgabriel]

Agile has been around for many, many years. I think the Agile Manifesto is a teenager by now. There are a lot of people well into their careers who have "always worked" the so-called Agile way.

[durzagott]

Sure, but I don't see why an effort to study how successful teams work and distil in a methodology needs to be derided by other programmers.

Most managers I've worked with just wanted some transparency and predictability to the process. Waterfall failed to provide that and now the industry is experimenting with Agile.

I find it distasteful when developers grumble to each other about having to perform basic tasks such as unit testing (TDD, BDD or whatever). I've worked with far too many 1/10x developers to know some kind of process is required to keep them on the straight and narrow.

There is no magic bullet, but I think it's time we stop snorting in derision at the industry's attempts to reduce the unpredictability of building (and maintaining!) complex software.