[benjiweber]

> Agile is the current day water fall model. I mean in spirit on in factual procedures.

I think the problem is people sticking to a particular process, thinking it's the definition of "Agile". Rather than responding to change and the individuals in the team.

As our team was growing to the point where planning sessions were taking several hours we switched to just in time planning. A couple of developers could give a lightweight estimate of work at any point. Planning became just a 30min discussion with stakeholders to prioritise work, and we'd dig into implementation details as a team when we actually started working on something.

This would obviously not work for everyone. My point is that we responded to the problem and adapted our process to change in the team and environment. It's the 4th point on the agile manifesto http://agilemanifesto.org/

Retrospectives should give an opportunity for teams to do this if done right.