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by sethrin 4823 days ago
>You might feel that way, but I doubt if the Founders would, considering that the majority of firearms, munitions, warships and cannons used to win our independence were provided by civilians.

If by civilians you mean the French, you would be accurate. The idea of a civilian warship or artillery piece is as ludicrous then as now. It's not like people have this stuff just lying around the farmhouse. France spent billions of livres fighting the British in that period, more than 1 billion directly on the American conflict. It is entirely accurate to describe the Revolutionary War as a proxy war.

From the NRA's magazine[0]: >The New Hampshire shipments equipped much of the Patriot army at Saratoga in October 1777, and, by 1778, the majority of Washington’s regiments had replaced their earlier disparate mix of arms with French ones.

There is a staggering amount of historical revisionism to minimize the role of France in this war, and to omit any context or ulterior motive for them doing so. France was the world's major military power, as well as the largest and most populous country in Europe, and had been for centuries. War between England and France was more often than not the case for nearly 500 years between 1337 and 1815. The American war was by no means the largest or most important of these conflicts.

There's a reason that the treaty ending the war was signed in Paris, and it's not because of their fabulous wine and cheese spread. Speeches from the British Parliament will attest that they knew their enemies were Bourbon, and not American. Which should surprise no one except, lamentably, most Americans.

[0] http://www.jaegerkorps.org/NRA/The%20Revolutionary%20Charlev...

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Later on, yes, many of our weapons came from France and Spain. Before that though, almost all of the arms provided (including cannons and ships) were done so by either civilian owners or confiscation.
"Later on" being what? 1777 is year 2 of 8. All of the sources that I've been able to find give the number of foreign-supplied arms as being significantly greater than those of US manufacture. For example, the first shipment of French rifles was equal in number to more than half of the Kentucky Long Rifles ever produced, and I believe also greater than the number of rifles that the Continental Army possessed at the time. Perhaps you can supply some better numbers.

Few if any of the supplied ships were warships, fewer answered directly to the Continental Navy, and none were Ships of the Line, which meant their combat utility was, shall we say, limited. What I read here[0] about the supply of cannon is pretty dismal and does not really support your claim. It is rather abundantly clear that, to the degree that arms and equipment were contributed freely by private citizens, this happened very early in the war, and had no effect on the outcome. You may feel free to show otherwise.

[0] http://www.history.army.mil/books/RevWar/risch/chpt-12.htm