[w1ntermute]

> I suspect most software developers worth their salt have heard of Joel Spolsky, and by extension Fog Creek.

Having heard of Joel or Fog Creek is one thing. Having heard of their Kiln project is another.

[watershawl]

I've heard of both Joel and Fog Creek, but not Kiln. So, yes.

[ams6110]

Agreed, I haven't really paid attention to what he or Fog Creek has been doing since this site killed off the "Joel on Software" site.