[anotherjesse]

The Diablo version was the first version that really combined the projects. Before Diablo each system had its own auth/user system, api style, ...

We've come a long way in 2 years :) Redhat (EPEL/Fedora) and Ubuntu now have built-in packages that are much more solid.

That said, the way to think about OpenStack is like you think about the linux kernel. Most people want a distro, not raw source to setup their environments. Over the last couple years we've seen real advances in distros.

[3am]

I've kept up a little on OpenStack since then and know people that work with the technology. I'm sure the keystone integrated auth system (or whatever it's called now) really improved things, and it seems like people are making really progress with pushbutton deployments using the usual config/orchestration suspects. Congrats!

That said I know more people would would be content to manage ESX with ovftool or some homebrew solution w/ the soap api than I do who would be willing to use the linux kernel without the usual userspace tools.

[rektide]

  I know more people would would be content to manage ESX with ovftool or some homebrew solution w/ the soap api

I for one am not content relying on someone else to manage all of our management tools. On that grounds, love hearing interesting news about OpenStack, CloudStack, Docker.io, or any project which releases open code purporting to helps us all to manage our many nodes, real and virtual.

  without usual userspace tools

As for the unusual "without usual userspace tools" criteria you added, I literally have no idea what you are talking about.

OpenStack is a bunch of code that runs in an OS, there's nothing nearly so magical or different about an OpenStack node as you imply. Do whatever you feel is best for your host nodes.

I install Debian packages on the host and manage it with many of the same tools used to manage it's images. It looks very much like the same usual "just a boring usual Linux node" node I log in to. http://wiki.debian.org/OpenStack

[viraptor]

What do you mean by "linux kernel without the usual userspace tools"? Openstack runs on a complete system with all the tools you want to install, not some bare kernel machine.

[3am]

"OpenStack is like you think about the linux kernel. Most people want a distro, not raw source to setup their environments"

Since he was comparing the relationship between a hypervisor and Openstack to that between the Linux kernel and the userspace tools, and I was just commenting on that comparison. That is, which I know people that use hypervisors without Openstack (or other virtualization management applications like Cloudstack or vCenter), I don't know anyone that uses the kernel on its own. Sorry, I thought that was clear but I guess it was not.