[vacri]

The problem is one of what happens on existing lists. Devs who openly identify as female face more hostility (technical and otherwise) than those who identify as male or are not identified. The idea of a women's only list is to avoid that hostility and provide a place where they can talk tech without the negative inputs.

If the same thing were happening to men, then having an exclusive list would be appropriate there as well.

I'm also a white male and still earning nowhere near average wage despite hitting 40 recently, but I'm not blind to having less obstacles to overcome. The thing to remember is that social wealth is not a zero-sum game - we all gain when someone grows.

[tiredofcareer]

My female partner (I'm bisexual, before someone goes through my history and writes "but you said you're gay, liar!!!!" like the pedantic asshole I know that's reading this) read your comment and said:

"Women are the most hostile people I know in groups. That seems counterintuitive."

She said that, not me. I'd say it but the repercussions of doing so should be fairly obvious.

[vacri]

That you branded me a pedantic arsehole over some bullshit words you put in my mouth before you even finished commenting shows that you've got a major fucking chip on your shoulder and aren't worth listening to.

[tiredofcareer]

Sorry that it wasn't clear. I meant someone else from the collective 'you' reading it. I'll try to edit it appropriately.

(Better? Really, sorry, I tried to word that one right because I didn't mean it for you and had a feeling you'd take it that way. I didn't mean to offend you. The ambiguity of English sucks. Assume benefit of the doubt?)