[hilko]

Are public spaces really that unsafe though? Or, at least, less safe than they have been in the past? Honest question.

I've read a bunch of articles (that I cannot look up right now) that argue that this decrease in safety is mostly perception, and I'm inclined to agree.

I grew up in the 'ghetto' of my hometown, and then from 8 tot 17 I lived in what was considered a dangerous, third-world country. Still, my parents mostly raised me as any kid in earlier times: be home before dark, don't go too far, but do whatever you want the rest of the time outside of school.

By and large, my experience has not been too different from other kids I know in safer environments, and I've had few 'scary' experiences involving other people. Most 'dangers' involved general kids-being-stupid things: crossing streets without looking, or climbing things at the risk of falling down on the pavement head-first, egging each other on to do something stupid, etc.

My point is, I can't really see the danger, and would like to know what you consider 'lacking'. Kidnapping is rare, sexual harassment is vastly more common in family circles, playgrounds have mostly become safer (and less fun, IMO), and violence of any kind by adults to children is (I think) relatively uncommon too. Even in dangerous areas.

Of course, I am no parent. And I admit I present no actual supporting evidence (right now) other than my own experience. But I'm not really trying to prove something, just interested in your take on this. Maybe I'm missing something important that I would be aware of with some context, or with the experience of being a parent

[lifeisstillgood]

A park with no other people in it is / sensibly percieved to be unsafe.

Yet put a regular soccer game there, add in seats so that lunchtime workers sit down for a sandwich, encourage adults to take lengthy actions that simply involve bein there and the place both becomes safer and feels safer.

It's human nature to feel safer in a well lit, public space

The space is rarely the issues - it's the lack of other people

Blame the car culture firstly, blame bad architects next, blame atrocious town planners mostly

If we want to feel safe we know how - have adults outside.

[hilko]

Interesting. I can see how architecture plays a role in this.

My experiences were mostly in large towns and cities, where the architecture was sufficiently 'open' and 'organic' to perhaps make the areas safer than the ones you mean (even despite the 70s / 80s ugly and depressing concrete-everywhere approach that needs little more than some graffiti to look like a ghetto.)

[mapt]

One important aspect is density; Another is to have relatively mixed usage blocks with lively things like storefronts or entrances near the sidewalk as often as possible, rather than a street-facing brick wall on three sides, or expanses of lawn or parking lots.