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by __herson__ 4833 days ago
Well, programming is not always easy.

I felt that kind of frustation when I tried for the first time almost every library/programming language that I'd worked with, either with java, backbone, coldfusion, rails...

Trying and researching things is always part of the process, we can't run away from that.
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trolley 4833 days ago
> Well, programming is not always easy.

Nobody is saying that it is. OP's title was directly in response to the ember.js homepage (where it says "GETTING STARTED WITH EMBER.JS IS EASY."). S/he encountered some (pretty understandable) frustration and pointed out a few major shortfalls in ember's documentation, before asking for assistance; that's not at all running away from "the process".

Waving away legitimate (non-trolling) complaints in a dismissive way is pretty condescending, and not at all helpful to the main issue.

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mootothemax 4833 days ago
Trying and researching things is always part of the process, we can't run away from that.

You're right: there will always be a learning curve, whatever is being learnt.

I think the problem with Ember is that it makes the opposite claims, and fails to deliver, only because the documentation is lacking.

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__herson__ 4833 days ago
Yes, I meant that when I start to learn thing like java and rails, everybody said that these product were easier than "x", but I didn't find them that way.
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Gravityloss 4833 days ago
It probably takes a huge amount of work to make something easy to use.

Look at Go.

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mikeash 4833 days ago
It's far easier to start from a basic working shell that you can tweak than it is to build something from zero. Plenty of environments manage to pull off that basic working shell just fine. If you make a new app project in Xcode, the result builds and runs out of the box. If you make a new Android app project, the result builds and runs out of the box. I can try out Python code immediately after typing "python" at the command line.

Programming is inherently hard, but there's still a vast gulf between necessary and unnecessary difficulty. The problems here are solidly in the "unnecessary" category.

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