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by antihero 4847 days ago
Wait so now it is 100% un-okay to make any kind of sexual joke ever if women are remotely in the proximity? I make sexual jokes with female friends all the time, and they don't care if some of them are duds, because they are reasonable people.

Surely the idea of feminism is to be treated like equal human beings, and human beings should have some sense of humour.

I mean, of course tits in a slideshow is horrible because it makes women feel marginalised, however forking and dongle jokes? Seriously? Fuck that. Unless they were clearly being used to make her feel uncomfortable, what business does she have overhearing a private conversation and being offended by it?

2 comments

The problems with your comment are numerous. I'll list them off in order of sentence number:

1: Strawman; assumption of binary plus suggesting Adria's post is asking for an extreme solution ("100%"), rather than being aware of context and being sensitive to these issues. 2: False assumption that your female friends all don't care about your potentially sexist remarks. Chance is greater that if they do, they wouldn't admit it to you. Furthermore, you make a wrong accusation that because your female friends don't speak up when you make bad jokes, Adria is being unreasonable in her post. Adria is completely reasonable and accurate with what she's saying.

3. You continue making wrong accusations. There is a difference between "sense of humor" and being offensive. You can be both funny (to some) and offensive (to the same and/or other people) at the same time. If you are offensive on something, you deserve being called out on it, however funny or not you might've been in the eyes of people. You also don't seem to understand your own point. Being treated like equal human beings means treating people with respect, and making degrading, sexualized jokes at a professional event is not treating people with respect.

4: If you want to have a "private conversation," leave the conference/event venue and retreat to somewhere private. This was not a private conversation as it was in the middle of an audience at a public event, in a public space. They were surrounded by people. There was nothing "private" about this conversation. Whispering or talking softly while you're amidst hundreds of people does not make your conversation "private," it certainly does not grant you immunity against shitty behavior that doesn't have a place at the event you're at.

> assumption of binary plus suggesting Adria's post is asking for an extreme solution ("100%")

Well I'm not really sure what is less offensive than a dongle innuendo.

> False assumption that your female friends all don't care about your potentially sexist remarks.

Nope, they (including my mother, who was a feminist activist back in the 80s) have had my back in many arguments about similar sorts of things.

> Adria is completely reasonable and accurate with what she's saying.

Nope, because there is nothing reasonable about publicly shaming someone for a joke that has nothing sexist about it because you heard some shit in a talk and make a bizarre connection between that and it.

> Being treated like equal human beings means treating people with respect, and making degrading, sexualized jokes at a professional event is not treating people with respect.

We have different ideas of respect then. My idea of respect is to not treat people like children that flip out because of some silly innuendo that doesn't actually do anything. It's not like the pornographic slides (which I spoke out against) or any of the other numerous offences of the tech. industry. This is two dudes relaxing and making some non-sexist innuendo.

> shitty behavior

Point blank refuse to accept that what they did was "shitty behaviour". Loosen the fuck up, focus on the real battles.

> This is two dudes relaxing and making some non-sexist innuendo.

"Boys will be boys"

So tell me how dongle and forking innuendos are offensive to women, or why it is any of her business?

Women don't have domain to be offended just because a joke is unfunny.

It almost feels like we are being denied access to sex-themed humour...

Newsflash... we might not find forking or dongle jokes funny... does not mean that we do not enjoy jokes... it means we enjoy things that are actually funny....

Thing, sure they were crummy jokes. A reasonable response would be to not laugh.
I find puns(?) like dong-le, fork you, etc absolutely funny. Might be juvenile humour left but why am I not allowed to like them and laugh?