[josephagoss]

I was a bit unclear, but this is what I meant.

IT is not well regarded, you cannot argue otherwise, I live here and no one things highly of IT unless your pulling in a large salary, and Most IT grads I know hate coding and work in IT support (on the phones fixing modem settings)

How depressing it is. (I study engineering and computer science, because I felt computer science is dumbed down in the Universities here too and want to graduate with a mathematics based degree (Electrical Eng) Funny enough, computer science here is mathematically weak and most people in my computer science class can't do basic calculus)- no wonder they are getting IT jobs, they can't do anything else with their weak pass average computer science degree that was all about playing computer games.

[joonix]

It's a feedback loop. Lack of startups and support => Lack of successful, prestigious software companies => Geeks have not earned public admiration the way they have in the US via Facebook, Google, etc etc.

It then applies to IT as well.

[novocaine7]

why would you focus on what's happening to the bottom tier students?

what do you think is happening to the distinction and high distinction students?

all the interesting from uni (unsw) i know either have good jobs or are doing really interesting research.

and software engineering is plenty well respected - people usually know it means you build apps and generally assume you're pretty smart. cheer up mate.