[masklinn]

> The problem of over-engineering isn't just related to the big PHP frameworks - the same problem exists in Python and Ruby.

OTOH, the "complexity" may also be "configurability" or "pluggability" with missing shortcuts. And quite often the "simple" version ends up being insufficient when one needs to tweak something: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2013/2/13/moar-classes/

> That's a fairly simple concept

When going for pithy statements and omitting most of the actual issues, even encryption, clustering or networking "[are] fairly simple concepts". Which effectively they're not.

[jonascopenhagen]

I know what you mean, and I realize there's more to web development than what I just wrote. Nonetheless, I think frameworks such as Zend add a level of complexity that is rarely justified. Zend fans would probably claim that doing things the "right" way in the beginning means less work when you need to maintain the app three years later. I'm not so sure. To be honest, three years from now I'd rather be maintaining a CodeIgniter app than a Zend one. I'm not a CodeIgniter fan per se, and I realize that it gets a lot of criticism for being written the "wrong" way - but the point here is that simple (and well-documented) solutions often win the day.

[zapu]

Also on that subject: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2013/03/03/the-controller-pattern-...