[meaty]

That's web sites. That's a fraction of the real world, which is my point. Most businesses don't run over HTTP. If most of the top 500 web sites disappeared, the world wouldn't stop.

GitHub is not a good measure of popularity of a proprietary language mainly aimed at internal and closed source software. In fact, if you added our 4.2mloc of total c# code to githib I reckon the stats would be different.

[mythz]

HTTP-based services and websites is going to be the majority of what services that are going to be hosted on Amazon/Azure.

Yes, many enterprises also makes use of MQ's and NoSQL, which due to their weak offerings and poor positioning is relatively non-existent on Microsoft platforms.

[meaty]

I think you are smoking crack. Our AD is on azure. Its not designed for http specifically. The azure web instances bit is but the whole platform is IaaS style.

So hadoop with SQL server (even ESENT if you want a key-value store) and MSMQ/BizTalk are not used? Only the entire health service in the UK runs on their 'poor offerings'...

Deep sigh. I think there are two views of reality.

[mythz]

If we're going to start sharing personal opinions, I think you're naive, insulated inside a Microsoft bubble and unable to comprehend the written word.

I said "majority" of services going on the cloud will be HTTP-based services - feel free to provide any evidence that contradicts this (and no, "But we host our AD on Azure!" doesn't count). That's also where the most of their Azure marketing efforts are going (which has historically had a strong impact in how .NET devs behave)

I said "relatively non-existent", not that they're not used at all. i.e. MQ's are sparingly used in .NET than say compared to the JVM platform which has a metric ton more quality MQ solutions than what's offered from Microsoft. Also NoSQL is effectively thriving on most other platforms which benefit from active communities and solid language bindings, in contrast, most of .NET still uses SQL Server for most things.

[kayoone]

I think you are the one insulated inside a startup-hiptech-webdev centric bubble which doesnt represent the real world. Almost any buisness that isnt strictly IT focused is running on MS Tech. Not for webservers, but for client pcs and network servers. The entire german healthcare (basically any Hospital, Doctor etc) runs on MS infrastructure and Azure also has benefits for these kind of businesses, far beyond any web related services.

Github and the web development world is a very bad metric to measure this.

[mythz]

Your opinion/prediction is pretty far off: I've spent most of my 13+ years experience working for Australian and UK Governments and Large enterprises, mostly as a .NET developer (Java 2 years). I also actively participate in OSS, NoSQL forums and maintain MQ, NoSQL, ORM clients and .NET server frameworks giving me a balanced perspective of Microsoft usage in and outside of the enterprise.

It's strange to see you've got this far and still haven't worked out this thread about hosted services on Amazon/Azure. Thanks for dropping a useless anecdote about the German healthcare windows infrastructure, please enlighten us with what % of the sensitive data and infrastructure will the German healthcare system be moving to an external cloud hosting provider? When did it become commonplace for health institutions to host their sensitive/confidential information on an external hosting provider?

[kayoone]

Healthcare was an example for absolut MS dominance. That being said, for most companies that run local IT, secuirty is pretty abmissal and i doubt moving to the cloud would harm them in that regard, but your right, Healthcare might not be the best example. I am sure though, that many enterprises in the future will run most of their stuff from the cloud because of the many benefits, and when they do its probably going to be Azure because it ties in nicely into their stack.

[meaty]

Sorry I will be 100% honest - I misread the first paragraph in the last message you posted. My apologies.