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by supar 4859 days ago
Are there any digitizer users here?

I use a Wacom digitizer daily for notes and sketches instead of using pen&paper. My wet dream is a pressure&tilt sensitive/e-ink based device, but it looks like the Surface Pro is the closest you can get currently - and this is a good review.

If you want a portable device (laptop/ultrabook/tablet) with a good digitizer that you can actually use (that is, wacom based), your options are actually very few.

There is the Lifebook T902, or the ThinkPad X230T. Did I miss anything else? Both are convertible laptops, both are quite heavy, have medium to poor battery life if you extend them with the additional battery, and a lower-dpi screen. I would have expected higher-range graphics on those laptops, but the integrated HD 4000 is ridicolous when you think you basically get the same on an ultrabook.

Not to mention that the price range is simply off. The Surface Pro is way cheaper.

I used an earlier version of the Lifebook T902. It's actually better than having a separate digitizer which takes useless space on the desk, but it's still cumbersome. You cannot draw unless you flip the screen (odd position otherwise). It's really heavy. A clipboard with paper is an all-around better.

There are two segments of markets that are filled by this usage pattern: on-the-go artists, and cheap cintiq replacements. Drawing on a cintiq is just awesome, but wacom has basically a monopole and the prices are just unjustified. Even the Intuos line is, IMHO, overpriced at least by a 2x factor. The sad reality is that they have absolutely no real competition. I tried several NTrig-based digitizers (lately the Vaio Duo 11), and they just suck. The tracking is just worse, many jumps just over a few hours of testing, not to mention that the pressure sensitivity is lower too (when you're drawing strokes it's quite visible unless the software is not interpolating it for you).

Just look at the missed opportunities there are! The Taichi 21 and VAIO Duo 11 are cool, but they use N-Trig. The keyboard on the Lenovo Yoga is awesome, but no digitizer. The Dell XPS 12 looks stunning, but again missed opportunity. It was rumored to ship with a wacom layer, but it didn't finally.

The only downside of the Surface is the keyboard. I tried the flip keyboard of the Surface Rt and I only hope that the keyboard from the Pro is different, because it sucks. Missed keys, zero feedback. Admittedly, it's better than typing on an on-screen keyboard, but the Taichi 21 of the Dell XPS 12 approaches are way better.

As a sad note, the replaceable battery concept is gone on all these modes. You know, I would settle for lower battery life if I could just have 2, or 3. I was actually shocked that at least HP offers the EliteBook Folio 9470m which has a replaciable battery in a thin format (the ultrabook is awesome), so there are really no excuses for it.

4 comments

There are a couple of recent Atom based Windows 8 tablets with Wacom. They're much lighter and thinner than the Surface Pro, but it also trades away CPU power for it.

Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 2. Dell Latitude 10

That eInk-based device you want won't happen until eInk refresh rates improve by a lot - they list an image update time of 120ms for monochrome, and up to 980ms for color. That needs to improve by at least an order of magnitude before it can be considered responsive enough for any direct-manipulation application.
In this area was hoping for the NoteSlate to succeed, but it seems that it went waporware.

For notetaking the refresh speed is not so critical, as the areas to refresh are limited to the writing spot. You would probably notice lag, but if you ever drew with heavyweight painting/retouching programs, lag sometimes is introduced by processing and you just get used to it (you just don't expect immediate results and keep going).

I would still prefer a slight lag and the ability to avoid a glass screen in this case.

>There is the Lifebook T902, or the ThinkPad X230T. I have a X230T (typing on it now) Overall the whole thing is great. I would highly recommend it.
Can you give us some feedback on how the screen hinge flips? Is there a slot for the pen?
Samsung Galaxy Note N8000 tablet uses wacom digitizer.
The N8000 is a different class of device, low spec / android based phone.
Actually N8000 is a 10 inch tablet.