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by mhb 4860 days ago
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes+9%3...

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Sounds like an atheist, more so in the KJV version. I thought the bible was pro-heaven? http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes+9%3...

  Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work,
  nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Ecclesiastes is in the Old Testament. The possibility of eternal life in heaven was only offered by Christ.
No, it's not something introduced by Jesus. There is "everlasting life" in Old Testament:

"And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%2012:1-12...

However, any reader of Old and New Testament should know that both "books" are in fact the collections of the hand-made copies of the texts written by different authors in different times. The idea of everlasting life is more recent, so it isn't present in the older texts, unless some copyist decided to "correct" that. Book of Daniel is believed to be quite "recent" compared to the most of Old Testament texts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Daniel#Authorship_and_d...

Still it predates the times of Jesus for up to 200 years.

Theologically, that would probably be a prophesy that was fulfilled by Christ. Historically, you're correct.
Also "theologically" according to the Jews their (older) Bible simply mentions "everlasting life" in the "Book of Daniel" at least century before the birth of Jesus. But they believe that the texts about Jesus written and collected by that newer sect that called them Christians simply don't prove that he's Messiah, as they are often based on misreadings of the Hebrew Bible, see for the example how NT came to use "the son of man" expression:

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10342-man-son-of

Of course, there's more than one "theology," even among different "Christians."

I'm just saying you can easily reconcile Ecclesiastes with the Christian notion of heaven by considering its context. I don't know if there's any such problem to be reconciled in Judaism.