[flyinRyan]

You're being pretty ridiculous. If Border had been told the data was on he would have probably approached note taking in a completely different manner. Having not been told that he took shoddy notes and relied on human memory, perception and so on. Now the real data comes back and makes it seem like he was lying and that's not fair.

[RyanMcGreal]

> If Border had been told the data was on he would have probably approached note taking in a completely different manner.

He's a freaking journalist. He should always approach note taking in the most careful, rigorous manner, regardless of whether he thinks his subject will be able to second-guess his conclusions.

[dmak]

Correct me if I am wrong, but this is what it seems like you are implying: It's okay for someone of his stature (from the NYT) to take "shoddy notes and [rely] on human memory", since he wasn't told that "the data was on".

[flyinRyan]

No, there are many problems with it. For example, how do we even know the data is right? If the people Broder called gave him bad advice, maybe it's because something was inaccurate? Maybe the data isn't quite right. If Broder had known this whole thing was going to be recorded he could have brought his own recorder to protect himself from an overly aggressive company lying about his experience.

[toomuchtodo]

Shoddy data collecting/telemetry? Seriously? Is that what you're suggesting? Because SpaceX (another Musk company) has rockets that dock with the space station.

Definitely not worshiping Musk here, but if you can get a rocket to dock with the ISS, I'm pretty sure you can collect charge state, speed, and cabin environment control settings pretty accurately.

[flyinRyan]

This is very much Musk worship. You really think they use the exact same software at Tesla as they use for SpaceX? Is there any reasons at all to believe the programmers from these two companies have ever even met each other? Or share code via some kind of cross-company repository?

[toomuchtodo]

Since Musk drives product development at both companies and owns both of them, yes, I'm confident engineers collaborate between the two companies. It would be stupidity not to.

[mistercow]

>Having not been told that he took shoddy notes and relied on human memory, perception and so on.

And now maybe he and other journalists will know not to write damaging pieces based on shoddy notes and their vague recollection of what happened. If Tesla Motors had told him in advance that they were collecting data, then he would have been more careful in that specific review, and then when he went to report on a less resourceful company that couldn't keep tabs on him, he'd fuck them like he tried to fuck Tesla.

The fact is that Tesla has been bitten by this kind of thing before (see Top Gear). Who can blame them for wanting to set an example at the nearest opportunity?

[flyinRyan]

There is no evidence he "tried to fuck Tesla". From what I've gleaned, his review is what most non-fanboys would have ended up with. It looks to me like the typical clash of business guys vs. tech guys. The business is saying "hey, this sucks I can't figure it out" and the tech guys are spouting true but useless statistics at them, all the while mocking them for "ignorance".

The customer's perception is more important than the car sellers data.

>Who can blame them for wanting to set an example at the nearest opportunity?

Set an example of what? That if you don't write a glowing review they're going to throw an infantile fit on the internet?

[mistercow]

>Set an example of what? That if you don't write a glowing review they're going to throw an infantile fit on the internet?

Set an example of what happens when you fudge facts to get a better story.