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by phpnode 4874 days ago
but still the majority of them do, by a wide margin. I don't even know why you're debating this, it's completely obvious that jQuery has by far the largest mindshare.

edit: ok now I get it, I had a look at your website. You like Closure so jQuery must suck, right? Also I would be in the hospital after 5 shots....
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oinksoft 4874 days ago
Well, don't provide a test like "you'll be in the hospital by #20" if you haven't vetted the results of it first.

My personal advocacy for the Closure Tools does not discredit my views on other tools, and I'm hoping this ad hominem nonsense doesn't fly in such a forum. Quite a few people come into the IRC channel and are using the Closure Compiler with jQuery and I don't give them shit. I take no issue with you using, liking, preferring jQuery.

You know why I like Closure? Because it makes the hard things possible. When you're talking about JavaScript running the web, it's websites like Gmail that matter the most. And you'd have a hell of a time getting Gmail to run as smoothy as it does using a library like jQuery, or even ExtJS.

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phpnode 4874 days ago
you're right in that I should have checked first, and really if you think about it it's no surprise that YouTube, Yahoo, Google etc are using their own tools. That does not detract from the point that jQuery has massive, ridiculous mind share and completely dominates the web though. Your point about it being impossible to build a gmail style app in jQuery is extremely dubious. There are an awful lot of complicated JS apps built on jQuery.
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ripter 4874 days ago
If you check you are right. Amazon, eBay, and MSN all use jQuery. (at least on their homepage).

You can't simply look for the global `$` or a single file named jquery.

I work on large corporate applications and we use jQuery, but we would fail the `$` and jquery file test. We don't expose the global `$` and jquery gets combined and minified with our own code.

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oinksoft 4874 days ago
You seriously underestimate the complexity of Gmail. It may well be the most complex JavaScript application in existence with an appreciable user base.
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malandrew 4873 days ago
Asana to me feels far more complex and robust than Gmail. There are tons of things I can do that feel desktop like in Asana, that I can't do in Gmail.
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tomjen3 4873 days ago
Are you arguing that Gmail is more complicated than google docs?
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oinksoft 4873 days ago
You make a fair argument. Google has several state-of-the-art JS applications. I thought of Gmail in particular because it probably sees much higher demand and so matters of optimization are probably a bit more important to it. This makes the amount of network activity, client-side caching, etc. it manages really impressive.

But no doubts that Google Docs is in the same ballpark.

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tomjen3 4873 days ago
Before you insult a poster, please look at what he is actually refuting: that virtually everybody use JQuery.

Virtually everybody is far more than a majority.

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