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>>>So long as scarcity exists, [living without constraint] is fundamentally impossible.

Absolutely agree.

>>>They have the option to raise that money.

Absolutely disagree. They are working 2 and 3 jobs, my friend. They do not have the money to raise that money.

>>>You're searching for the ability to live without constraint.

Please explain where I indicated this, I did not mean to.

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The context of this discussion is this comment by olliesaunders:

> Yeah but we’re not allowed to. Most employers will demands you show up for 40 hours a week and then frown at you or, at least, never promote you if you don’t stay for a lot more.

The whole point here is that we aren't limited to what our employer "allows" us to do. We choose to follow the directions of any particular employer because it typically rewards us with money, which we can use to survive.

You are making the argument that people in the US don't have options. Of course they have options. The costs may be high to exercise those options, but that doesn't mean they don't have them.

And of course, the larger point:

> We should all do whatever the fuck we want, until we die.

Applies equally to employers as it does to everyone else.

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>>>The context of this discussion is this comment by olliesaunders:

Thank you for your thoughtful comment, I will try to explain my original comment for you.

I agree with you that starting a business is possible in the legal sense and it is a culturally acceptable thing to do. The US government and the general socio-economic climate of the US makes it morally, legally, and socio-economically possible to start a business. Agreed.

Here is my response to olliesaunders:

>>>Most people in the United States do not have this option [starting a business] because they do not have enough money to do so.

If starting a business takes X amount of time, Y amount of money, and Z amount of skill, my contention is that most Americans do not have sufficient levels of each. To say nothing of the luck involved.

So with that in mind, let me reply to part of your most recent comment:

>>>You are making the argument that people in the US don't have options. Of course they have options.

This I agree with, as stated above.

>>>The costs may be high to exercise those options, but that doesn't mean they don't have them.

This I do not agree with. Starting a business costs Q amount of money. A certain segment of the population will never earn that much money in their entire lives.

To be snarky, I will likely never earn enough money to buy an island. The fact that it is legal to buy an island does not make buying an island an option for me.