[ucee054]

Anecdotal, but in my experience smart girls are uglier and cute girls are stupider.

This is verified by comparing 2 groups: nightclub girls and science research nerd girls.

As a group the nerd girls are uglier on average, because there are several severely plain nerd girls, though an individual nerd girl may be very attractive.

As a group the disco girls are stupider on average, because there are several severely ditzy disco girls, though an individual disco girl may have brains.

I believe the reason for this is that it takes effort to make yourself attractive, just as it takes effort to make yourself smart, so there is a trade off.

[davidtanner]

You are very off track.

All the evidence I've ever come across points to the opposite conclusion: there is a positive correlation between beauty and intelligence.

A few seconds of googling turned this up: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundament...

I've seen actual journal articles on the matter as well. Facial symmetry is influenced by genetics, the oxygenation of the womb, as well as other factors. A lot has to go right for a person to have a beautiful face and a lot has to go right for someone to have a high IQ. It shouldn't be remotely surprising that they are correlated.

Judging by your incredibly stereotyped conceptions of "disco" girls the limited dating experience you had was probably a few decades ago. Judging by your silly, evidence free post you might not be particularly smart or attractive.

Better put in some effort on both.

[ucee054]

'Judging by your incredibly stereotyped conceptions of "disco" girls'

Go down to eg Thai Square nightclub in Trafalgar Square, London UK on midnight Friday or Saturday and tell me what you see.

'silly, evidence free post'

I never claimed evidence, I claimed anecdotal experience. Go down to the EE PhD labs in eg Imperial College, London UK, any time of the day, any time of the week, and tell me what you see. I bet you the girls in there would be offended by comparison to the Thai Square girls.

'you might not be particularly smart or attractive'

Stay off the ad-hominems asshole.

[tedunangst]

There is a flaw in your methodology. You are comparing a group of preselected smart girls with a group of preselected pretty girls. Neither is a representative sample of the population.

[ucee054]

3 Questions then:

A) Do you disagree with my position on effort?

B) How else is one going to encounter this phenomenon in real life?

C) How should I correctly test the hypothesis?

[tedunangst]

Gather an unbiased representative sample of the population. Rate their intelligence and appearance. Plot a graph.

I'll also make the following observations. Girls in a club may appear dumber than they are because they're drunk and having silly fun. Girls in a research lab are quite possibly wearing less makeup than they would wear to a club. It's entirely possible you're looking at the same set of girls, but aren't recognizing that fact because the effects of environment and context are so transformative.

[ucee054]

"Girls in a research lab are quite possibly wearing less makeup"

Well I think that's my point. The girls in the club put in quite a lot of effort in makeup and dress, and are tottering around in high heels, to make themselves more attractive. (I've seen girls put themselves through comical levels of suffering merely for the sake of wearing heels.)

The girls in the research lab are probably instead putting that effort into reading research papers to make themselves better informed. They may well be wearing lab safety gear.

"It's entirely possible you're looking at the same set of girls"

Maybe, somehow I doubt researchers have the time to get out of lab though.

[pbhjpbhj]

Re C: you could stand in a place that attracts what you consider to be an unbiased clientèle, ask women if they'll take a test, give them an IQ test (or establish highest level of education or similar). Score them on looks somehow. Compare results and test for correlation.

Or you could take a group with similar intelligence (eg a university class group) and have them rated for looks, compare the result curves with the expected results in general population and look for skew or spread variations.