[gavinpc]

Besides, it's a false dichotomy. Even rms knows that you can "have kids" without procreating. We have two adopted children — from the same mother — and believe me, you get the full experience. We were also lucky enough to be present for the births (I have unspeakable respect for those parents who foster or adopt older children), and we have kept up a relationship with the birth mother (who has three other kids).

Anyway, congratulations to the OP! But really — I thought this was going to be about "having a baby." Post again in the fall, sir, and then tell us about "having a baby." ;)

All the best.

Obligatory pictures

http://gavinpc.com/static/pumpkins.jpg http://gavinpc.com/static/pajamas.jpg