[pacomerh]

It's actually funny how the communities of developers get divided into groups. There's the know-everythings who are inclined to the technical side and have a smart answer for anything and everything, all decisions are based on manuals and numbers. Also, creative ones who have some sort of background in something else other than development, like music or illustration, etc. They usually make things touching a bit on the side of art, therefore experimenting a bit more. In some cases these dudes will actually be very well versed on the technical side, but not all of the time. So, the interesting thing here to see how people appreciate websites in different forms. You see these guys from 'A List Apart' sorta breaking schemes by doing a chopped title on the header, and people here deciding it's a bug on their browser :) . I've seen designs on the web that propose something different to the eye, where nerds will be ranting that the rules say it's wrong because you're violating the rules of this or that. Maybe I just wish I could experiment more, because I like looking at developers and designers proposing new things.

[camus]

except these guys claim they have something to teach you, i'm sorry but based on their sloppy design i conclude they do not.

[pacomerh]

Can you recommend a good person/group/source for great design?. I think these guys Zeldman, Santamaria, etc, rather than innovators are good decision makers in terms of where to place things on a page. Because it seems to be working for everybody, and they proved it.

[camus]

dont care about these guys , they did not invent webdesign and i dont claim i can teach people stuff while producing design that sucks.

[pacomerh]

That's just plain trolling