[berlinbrown]

I think developers are dogmatic and stick to a particular religion. I don't mind mind maven but I hate when I see an example piece of code and the only way to get it to work is complicated maven(pom) script. Then I have to spend a hour trying to figure out what is in the maven script. And you end up with only 2 or 3 jars (log4j and commons-logging junit and some other jar). Why don't you just give me the version I need in a bundled jar and I can go about my coding.

My only fear with maven is when things break or someone how you have a wrong version of maven that the script requires or downloads fail or something else. If the script fails you can't do anything. And who knows, the only that was required was just compiling the java source with minimal dependencies.

[frugalmail]

Not sure what you're complaining about specifically, but maven has the ability to generate bundled jars when the app author includes the assembly plugin ( http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-assembly-plugin/ ).

Then you would just type mvn assembly:assemble