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by skoob 4891 days ago
> the capital "O" in Helvetica is more oval than round in Arial, and more round than oval in Helvetica.

The Os in the Toyota logo have been modified and made more round, though. This is what "TOYOTA" looks like in plain Helvetica: http://myfonts.us/td-RQ1hNh

The Os in the Arial and Helvetica are practically identical.