[mdanger]

I haven't been here for very long, but I can't say it's a "common sight" to see flip phones at coffee shops. :)

On a more serious note, I have to agree with the bit about being a "pro-dog" city. I am constantly amazed at the number of dogs on the Muni, dogs in parks, dogs tied up outside of stores/restaurants, etc.

[sharkweek]

Seattle is the same way -- there are more dogs in the city than children --

http://www.seattlemag.com/article/seattles-dog-obsession

[asveikau]

I've lived in both places. Back in college I also lived with someone who was allergic. That changes my reaction a bit, I think. It makes the people who bring their dogs on transit, to the bar or to the supermarket look like jerks.

[geebee]

Having kids has also changed my perspective on this. I've been taking my kids to a sports field near a playground for the past few years, and so far, the incidence of off leash dogs has been 100%, even though there is a dedicated off leash space right next door. Most of the dogs have been very friendly, but occasionally you do get an unknown very large and powerful off leash dog bounding up to a 3 foot tall kid. This is all next to a well posted sign about leash laws, though I have never seen any enforcement.

I've heard this is frustrating for other dog owners as well. There are a lot of people whose dogs need to be socialized better and they try to keep them on leash, and it's pretty much impossible to go to an open space without off leash dogs.

I'm still 100% in favor of creating a lot of excellent off leash areas, and most dog owners are considerate. But it does frustrate me that enforcement is so lax that there is pretty much nowhere in SF that isn't used as an off leash area.

BTW, if you're moving to SF, "dog wars" are definitely something you'll get used to. Lots of emotion in SF around this one.

[clauretano]

and unlike Portland, dogs are allowed on buses in Seattle -- http://metro.kingcounty.gov/tops/bus/how-to-ride/animals.htm...

(not on Sound Transit express buses or Link light rail though)

[sharkweek]

we have regular dog attendance at work -- I think as long as allergies are respected, it makes for a really fun work environment

[epoxyhockey]

I haven't been here for very long, but I can't say it's a "common sight" to see flip phones at coffee shops. :)

Yes - everyone has iPhones. Not an Android phone in sight!