[talmand]

So, there can't be a disagreement over what the definition of what a modern government is or what's required to run it? What if my idea of a modern government costs less than your modern government?

What if my modern government gives out free money taken from people, through high taxation, with screen names that start with j? Can I tell you to shut up because you are refusing to provide the funds necessary to run a modern government?

Keep in mind that different people have different ideas about what is needed in government. Debates over taxation is just simply a symptom of that.