[lawdawg]

Last I read, Nokia accounts for 75% of all WP device sales, which means we can estimate around 6 million WP devices were shipped (not sold) during Q4 2012. Unlike Apple (which also calls shipments "sales" in their quarterly report), Nokia devices aren't in incredibly high demand (other than perhaps the 920).

I can't really see how this is good news for WP when Android and iOS activated 17.1 million devices on Christmas Day alone. I can't imagine Q1 2013 being any better for Nokia when they have no major devices going out, and no major WP upgrades upcoming either.

[mtgx]

To put that in perspective with Android sales, the whole of WP sold in a quarter as much as Android in 4 days.

I still think Nokia made a huge mistake not making Android phones, too. 4 million Lumias (low-end and high-end ones) is not enough to make them recover on time. They'll still probably get acquired, possibly this year.

[daliusd]

Maybe that's the plan? IMHO Elop did everything to make Nokia unattractive to all possible buyers except Microsoft. I see the only option for Apple to try buying Nokia to at least make it more expensive for MS. I don't believe Apple could buy Nokia because that most probably wouldn't be met very friendly by EU bureaucrats.

[astrodust]

They can always go back to making boots. There's a large hipster market out there.

[OGinparadise]

Nokia is up by double digits so investors are liking this. With confidence, they might even raise the money they need.

Whether it's as good for Microsoft it's another story

[glass-]

The vast majority of those Lumias will be the high-end 920 and the slightly-less-high-end 820. Whereas those Android activations include everything and the kitchen sink.

The Lumia 820, which is a lower-end and lower-priced WP8 phone, should be coming out this quarter, and is being mainly targeted at countries like India.

[lawdawg]

> The vast majority of those Lumias will be the high-end 920 and the slightly-less-high-end 820.

Where did you get the breakdown by device? This is the best I've seen and doesn't seem to reflect your sentiment at all: http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/winphone-usage-dec.jpg

> Whereas those Android activations include everything and the kitchen sink.

OK, and? Nokia sells devices in exactly the same price ranges as Android. iPhone and GS3 sales absolutely crush Nokia on their own as well, so not sure what your point was exactly.

[glass-]

Really? You're posting a graph that shows overall usage of WP devices, that could have been bought at any time in the last 2 years, and trying to present it as data suggesting that more old devices were sold. If anything that graph demonstrates the opposite of what you're saying, as the 920 already has 10% of total WP usage, despite only being released a few months ago.

> OK, and? Nokia sells devices in exactly the same price ranges as Android. iPhone and GS3 sales absolutely crush Nokia on their own as well, so not sure what your point was exactly.

My point was putting your "17.1 million devices on Christmas Day alone" FUD statistic into perspective.

Yes, Apple and Samsung are still doing better, but that doesn't invalidate what Nokia has accomplished here.

[lawdawg]

Wow, you need to relax. I asked you where you got your numbers from and linked to the only numbers I knew about (and they can't be from "any time in the last 2 years" as they include the Lumia 920 and 820 .....). If you have numbers showing that "vast majority of those Lumias will be the high-end 920 and the slightly-less-high-end 820", I'd love to see them.

Secondly, you need to look up the meaning of the acronym "FUD", because you really blew it there.

[Gmo]

Well, for once, there are a lot of markets where the 920 and 820 haven't been launched yet.

Here in Europe, it was launched in France, Germany and the UK, but only now is it launched in the Netherlands (where I live) and Belgium, and probably other smaller European countries.