[beagle3]

> People who want a the government to control health care

No one wants the government to control healthcare. Many people want the government to run healthcare, and accept that as a result it will be government controlled . You might consider this a distinction without difference, but it paints supporters of public health care in a light they do not deserve. An analogy:

You seem to want my health care to be controlled by people whose own profit is their motive -- in fact, by corporations who are required by law to maximize shareholder profit at the expense of my health.

> "Look that isn't working well, we must need more government."

Most are saying "look, that isn't working well. But e.g. NHS in England is working extremely well. Let's copy that". And after looking at the NHS, it turns out that you need more (and especially, a very different kind) of government involvement.

Can you point to a working example of a system that you believe in? Because if you can't, I think the NHS and government involvement carry a LOT more weight as arguments.