[jonmrodriguez]

Actually what he's referring to is that Woz basically made the Apple 1, made the Apple 2, and then, having produced two once-in-a-lifetime masterworks, essentially retired.

Jobs, though less technically useful on any one hands-on task, never retired even after getting rich. He just kept shipping, ultimately an order of magnitude more projects and a way more grandiose total portfolio.

[rooshdi]

And who helped him keep shipping? Or did you forget the thousands of other workers at Apple? Let's get real.

[jodrellblank]

Where by "real" you mean what, exactly?

"Out of Jobs and Wozniak who shipped more?" "thousands of other apple workers because I don't like Jobs" ?

[rooshdi]

No. Apple and its products are the result of countless hours of work from thousands of employees. Step out the damn reality distortion field already.

[wildranter]

Step out the damn reality distortion field already.

Likewise.

Who do you think built and rebuilt the aforementioned company?

The thousands of people who worked on Apple producs acknowledge that Jobs was fundamental because of is hyper focus and vision.

If you stop hating the man you might learn a thing or two.

[rooshdi]

I don't hate anyone. In fact, I respect Steve a whole lot for pursuing his passion and vision for technology. I just hate the lies people believe. Shipping involves more than any one individual. It's an ongoing collaborative process. Read up:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20124720-37/jonathan-ive-s...

[mmariani]

Well, I shouldn't. But I'm gonna bite this one anyway. Who recognized Jonny Ive's talent and gave him a promotion?

Anyway, I think the reality distortion field you previously referred is in fact a hyperbole machine created by the media outlets. I don't like it too as it only serves to increases the distance between us and real facts just for the sake of getting some viewers.

The real reality distortion field [0][1] was born as a complement and caution, referring to Steve's epic focus, indomitable will, and eagerness to get things done. When well applied, it can be an incredible tool to shift paradigms.

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field

[1] Steve Jobs biography, Chapter 11

[matwood]

I'm not an SJ lover, but this is one case where we can see Apple with and without Jobs. Apple was nearly out of business when he took back the helm. To ignore that the leader has a huge amount to do with the success of any group is to ignore human history. You're also ignoring the stories of SJ who by all accounts was obsessive compulsive with shipping over all else. Do you really think that his attitude towards shipping didn't permeate through the entire organization?