[slowpoke]

It makes me extremely sad - and somewhat angry - that a lot of people just associate Tor with CP and criminals. Tor enabled and helped carry out fucking revolutions. Hundreds, if not thousands of (not only) chinese dissidents use it to communicate safely. It protects lives. Tor is a blessing upon humanity, and a big, fat, thorn in the side of every oppressive government on this planet.

The fact that some individuals use Tor for accessing child pornography is sad, but that constitutes a miniscule amount of its entire traffic. Stop looking at the few bad apples and look at the big picture.

Oh, and if you're at it, watch Jacob and Roger's talk at the 29c3 as soon as it is available. They explained this awesome piece of software a bit more in detail there, amongst all the other amazing projects related to the Tor Project.

[ceol]

> The fact that some individuals use Tor for accessing child pornography is sad, but that constitutes a miniscule amount of its entire traffic.

Do you have a citation for this? Specifically, that illegal activities in general are a minuscule amount of its traffic?

[gyom]

I agree with you about how awesome Jacob Appelbaum makes Tor sound, but you could still make a case about not wanting your computer to be used without your consent for stuff like that.

For example, as much as cancer research can benefit from extra computing power, I wouldn't want web sites to start including secret javascript code meant to "reap the spare cpu cycles" available when I visit their site.

[slowpoke]

It's equally debatable whether it's okay to put stupid advertisements or tracking technology on your website - which have infinitely less positive benefits for humanity than Tor.

Anyways, my answer wasn't about Flash-Proxy at all (which is, polemics aside, indeed debatable). I was pissed about the attitude that Tor == CP, which is a dishonest fallacy thrown around by supporters of surveillance and spying.

[rz2k]

There are at least three actual possibilities there:

1. People afraid of being tracked down and prosecuted because someone used their exit node for criminal behavior

2. People concerned about limiting criminal behavior

3. People who want to stop free speech

Assuming #3 seems like a stretch even if it is easy to conclude that people pushing for constraints on free speech for the sake of limiting criminal behavior under-appreciate the vital importance of vigorous anonymous public discourse, even in countries without dictators.

[slowpoke]

>1. People afraid of being tracked down and prosecuted because someone used their exit node for criminal behavior

Again, Flash Proxy is not an exit node, it's a bridge. It merely helps people to access the Tor network, and does not relay traffic back out (which, as far as I know, is not even technically possible). There's zero risks involved. Also, why are you not running at least a relay, anyways?

>2. People concerned about limiting criminal behavior

Limiting criminal behavior is fine, but never at the cost of essential liberties and rights. This is inarguable. People rallying against Tor for "criminal behavior" are the very same people we need Tor to protect ourselves against.

>3. People who want to stop free speech

I you[1] are such a person, I hate you and you more than deserve to have your browser turned into a powerful weapon of the very thing you want to stop.

[1] This is the general you, I'm not talking to the parent poster specifically.

[gyom]

I agree about the debatable status of the stupid advertisements running without my permission. As you're pointing out, the worse aspect of them is that they're involved in a large-scale tracking scheme. It wouldn't be as bad if you got your ads and nothing else (no tracking on top of the ads).

The "Tor == CP" reasoning is as absurd as saying "Free Speech == Rampant Nazi Propaganda". =)