[tytso]

So don't buy locked down devices. There are unlocked device for sale, and the Nexus devices are at least price competitive, if not downright cheaper in the case of the Nexus 4 and Nexus 7. (Yeah, there are some availability issues, but I bet after Christmas things will get better on that front.)

[chimeracoder]

> (Yeah, there are some availability issues, but I bet after Christmas things will get better on that front.)

The availability issues for the Nexus 4 have absolutely nothing to do with the Christmas rush.

> So don't buy locked down devices. There are unlocked device for sale,

You're missing the two points, which are:

1. Unlocking the device should be an option for all phones - it's a basic right of ownership.

2. It's getting harder and harder to find truly open devices (the Galaxy Nexus had issues on this front). If things keep heading in this direction, soon there won't be any unlocked devices for sale.

[sbuk]

"1. Unlocking the device should be an option for all phones - it's a basic right of ownership." If you bought the phone subsidised as part of a contract, then no. You should be able to unlock the phone when the contract is finished, but not before as you don't actually own the phone until such a time.

[chimeracoder]

> you don't actually own the phone until such a time.

This is simply not true at all, from a legal standpoint.

You're confusing subsidy with ownership - the phone isn't rented; it's yours. You received a discount on the price at the moment of sale because you agreed to a separate (independent) contract which happens to guarantee them more money overall, but that doesn't change the fact that you own the device. If the contract gets broken due to breach of contract, you keep the phone, because it's your property - they don't take ownership of it again.

More importantly, this discussion is all completely irrelevant, because phone unlocking has nothing to do with a subsidy - almost all phones are locked, subsidy or no subsidy.

[sbuk]

Read the contract. If you default on payment, the phone will be taken from you. If, however, you pay for the full cost of the phone off contract, then it is yours.