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by glenjamin 4925 days ago
Where did do-no-track even come from?

If I were to create a browser extension which added a "Do-Not-Charge-Me" header, without input from retailers, would I then be able to get annoyed that I still had to pay for my goods, despite having ticked a little box in the browser settings?

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"Where did do-no-track even come from?"

Well, the argument from the advertisers is this: they have no idea whether or not people want to be tracked, so they don't know when it is not OK to do so (i.e. they are claiming to be autistic). Maybe some people really do want to be tracked and given advertisements that are more relevant to their interests, according to the advertisers, and so having browsers block tracking systems would hurt those users; also, they like to remind us, invasive advertising funds the web (but I have my doubts about that point). DNT is supposed to give users a way to opt out of invasive advertising that does not involve simply blocking ads; we are supposed to accept this compromise, because otherwise we'll just be in another arms race (which I suspect we will win, given how effective ABP is at blocking ads).

The theory is that the industry can self-regulate, because we are holding the Sword of Damocles over their heads: we already showed them that we can block pop-ups, pop-unders, hover ads, Flash ads, Java ads, and the numerous other things they came up with. We also showed them that we can win an arms race, by making spam filters so effective that the volume of spam actually began to decrease.

Of course, for DNT to work, the number of ABP installations would have to spike whenever the advertisers prove that they are not acting in good faith. Which is what they did when they tried to claim that DNT meant users don't want to see targeted ads, but that it was still OK to collect tracking data. To me, that suggests that DNT is already over and that we need to finish the game by making ABP a standard feature.

I am a little confused about your doubt that advertising funds the web, especially the published web (vs web-apps). Can you expand on this point?

To be transparent, I am the CTO of Perfect Audience, an advertising startup that does retargeting, which does use tracking to show users ads for sites / products they have previously looked for. These ads are worth more than non-data driven ads and make more money for publishers than non-data driven ads bought via bidding, which is where most advertising is moving today.

Well, I won't deny that some websites are funded by advertising (Google comes to mind). On the other hand, there are a large number of websites that are ad-free, ranging from small personal blogs (which have low hosting fees; I know people who pay a tiny amount for EC2 to host their blog) to websites with millions of pageviews per day (e.g. Wikipedia). We had a world wide web before we had web advertising; somehow, people were able to pay for things back then.

Really though, my word choice was poor. What I should have said is that I doubt the necessity of advertising to fund the web, citing the examples above.

Also, sorry if I am attacking your company. It's nothing personal.

I don't understand why you are being downvoted because what you said is true. It's just the latest incarnation of the evil bit[1].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_bit

Or the telnet "Don't Randomly Lose"[1] option.

[1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc748