[Turing_Machine]

"Mass shootings seem to be more rare in e.g. Europe."

History indicates otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe

[sp332]

I can't downvote you, but that's a useless comment and you know it.

[Turing_Machine]

Don't worry. Your cobelievers already did it.

I guess I just don't have the "sophisticated" European point of view that says that millions killed by government don't count.

[sp332]

It's not relevant to the conversation. We're talking about individuals. Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_mili... seems to have a lot more action than the part of your page since the late 18th century, so I think you're wrong either way.

[Turing_Machine]

The death toll from the European wars is in the millions.

In addition to the wars per se, European governments have killed millions of their own citizens, and they've been at it for centuries.

[throwit1979]

It's absolutely relevant, since the purpose of the Second amendment is largely protection against governments, not critters, varmints, or even criminals.

[sp332]

So... your argument is that tightening gun control would lead to more wars?