[jacquesm]

> This is not a small thing, some estimates put the number of rapes per day stopped due to the potential victim being armed or thought to be armed at more than a thousand. Per day.

How does that work in the rest of the world then? I don't see thousands of people being raped here per day, so clearly something else must be stopping those rapes.

Really, guns are toys. Get over it.

The chances of you facing a life-or-death situation where a gun will help you are ridiculously overblown.

We're not trading off homicide vs one kind of mass homicide, that just brings things to the attention of a larger audience. The real trade off is citizens murdering other citizens with guns versus them not being able to do so or to do so easily. Sure there will be criminals with guns, they're not going to magically disappear. But there will be far less of them.

[pingbear]

>I don't see thousands of people being raped here per day

Because no one reports on it. No one reports on the impoverished of India killing each other when someone cuts in line at the water pump in the morning. No one reports on the gang murders in Eastern Europe that happen everyday. Rape goes on all the time. Just because the West has NGOs and charities dedicated to women's issues and run campaigns and just because they have statistics (such as they are) showing that rape incidence might go down, that doesn't mean that rape doesn't happen on a massive scale on a daily basis.

Seriously, how ignorant can a person be?

[jacquesm]

America is in the West. Last I checked at least.

What you are describing is a country with a disfunctional police force.

[wildranter]

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. —Albert Einstein